Fast ass samples and the dilemma of the timestretch...

Okay, here's my dilemma.

Lately, I've been messing with some samples that are are 120-125 bpm. I want my beat to be between 85-95 bpm.

Now, when I try to timestretch these mofos down to like 95, they sound horrible. Flanging, distortion, etc...

But, if I try to slow them down using the 16 levels, they sound just as bad: the pitch all mucked up, etc...

Now, how do you guys get around this?

I'm thinking about chopping the mofo up, but, then I'll have like mad silence between the chops (in order to stick to my 85-95 bpm working area).

Anyone?

i get around it by slowing it down and pitching it back up. its a little hard to describe but its a technique ive used 4 a while. sorry if that doesn't help much.

thats what i do too. kinda counter-balances it.

I slow it down a little like 10 or 20 then chop that mutha. The I speed parts way up and down for tones and background.

try speeding them up to 165-185 bpm then see how they sound. or in trim parameters tune to 85-95, then in the pads parameters -120 or +120.
or tempos relativity -120 loops twice slower so divide in half is -60 that will make it loop asymetrically but its still in time.

or make a beat that works with the sample i mean how many beats have you made that are NOT 85-95bpm.

Get a Midi keyboard and replay the darn thing. By the time you spend hours mucking with chopping, tempos, artifacts, and in general being dissatisfied with the results, you could have re-created that beat and put your own twist on it...

jimisteele wrote:try speeding them up to 165-185 bpm then see how they sound. or in trim parameters tune to 85-95, then in the pads parameters -120 or +120.
or tempos relativity -120 loops twice slower so divide in half is -60 that will make it loop asymetrically but its still in time.

or make a beat that works with the sample i mean how many beats have you made that are NOT 85-95bpm.

Okay, so you're saying that I shold speed it up and then tune it down?

Also, the reason I keep my beats between 85-95 is that most of the stuff I like or, to push it even further, hear in hip hop these days falls into that realm. I have tried to make beats that are faster than 100 bpm, but they come out sounding like dance music (which is what I'm not aiming for).

poltergeist6 wrote:i get around it by slowing it down and pitching it back up. its a little hard to describe but its a technique ive used 4 a while. sorry if that doesn't help much.

So, I'm guessing you slow it down using timestretch and then pitch it back up using 16 levels or the tuning param, correct?

...other way around, slow it down first naturally with tuning or 16 levels, then use the timestretch to pitch it back up to original key.

L. Tombstone wrote:...other way around, slow it down first naturally with tuning or 16 levels, then use the timestretch to pitch it back up to original key.

you cant. Timestretch, by definition, doesnt change the pitch/key.

... that's funny I just wrote some whole long thing about this technique here is actually 'pitch shifting', but thought it sounded redundant so I scrapped it....Timestretch as far as I know was always keeping the source key and changing the tempo of the sample or whatever......

Thanks for the good words on the 60, I forgot to thank you for that in the other forum!! Overall lovely machine sounds smackin!!!!

sometimes you just gotta go with the sample. IVe got a couple 60 bpms that dont sound that bad.

also
Try choping it up into like 4 parts or so. Try to slice right before or after change ups, or notes.............then timestretch each part individually. Put it back together afterwords.

I keep it simple if I got a 125 to 135 bpm track its gonna become a house track