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By nick x0x Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:47 pm
drox i pm'd u the long anwser.

if anyone is interested, the bends are my own homebrew...the only thing i referenced was the individual output points...i got that info from one of the circuit bending msg boards.

just about any 80s digital drum box is bendable...put new life into your old beat boxes, and get sounds nobody else has...the alesis hr-16 is an especially good canidate besides the roland tr-505/626/707/727.

By morgan Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:01 pm
I'm definately interested in the bent 505, I've got one sitting around that I figured wasn't worth selling, what you do to it? How's it sound also?
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By dj e.d.e Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:02 pm
yo nick i got one of those hr 16 how do i go about doin that,

anyways when you guys put that xoxbox togehter let me kno what you thing , cause i just got my second chance on buyin it in sept , i was one of the first heads to get a chance to buy one but i didnt kno if i would be able to put it together.

man you got some very nice vintage stuff , i'm jealous
wish i just had a few of those especailly that TB303 and that 909

how do you work that mc202 i had one that a friend let me barrow and i had to just sample of it cuz i didnt have the din converter to run it midi with the mpc

i still wish i had kept it.

By nick x0x Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:57 am
dj e.d.e wrote:yo nick i got one of those hr 16 how do i go about doin that


make yourself a jumper with a 1kohm resistor and some wire...open up the hr-16....start touching pins on one chip to another....write down the good combos...then solder in permenate shorts, or put switches between the shorts so you can turn the bends on and off.

em411.com fourms will help u on that.

dj e.d.e wrote:man you got some very nice vintage stuff , i'm jealous
wish i just had a few of those especailly that TB303 and that 909


im actually a bigger fan of the 808....but the 909 has its uses...lately the 909 has been acting up tho...it'll reset itself every once in awhile...i wont even take it out live anymore...i just the use mpc as a 909 live...altho the 909 is quite a bit louder than the mpc, even with the samples normalised in a wave editor.

the 303 has devilfish mods...the devilfish mods make it even more twisted....plus there is a filter input...i particularly like loading a hoover or reece sound into the emu...running a morphing filter over the sound there and resampling it....then running the new sound into the devilfish's filters...really twisted dnb and acid tech sounds that way.

dj e.d.e wrote:how do you work that mc202 i had one that a friend let me barrow and i had to just sample of it cuz i didnt have the din converter to run it midi with the mpc

i still wish i had kept it.


first off...a midi to din converter will only get clock into the mc-202...din sync is just clock...cv's actually control the gating and pitches of the synth.

ive only used it a little(im mainly the drum programmer and daw engineer round here), but when i do use it, i do use the onboard sequencer....there is a delay between when the machine gets cv pulses and when it actually plays the tone if u use an external cv source(basically every cv pulse it gets goes to the sequencer first)...there is a way to bypass the microprocessor on it, we havent done it tho...yeah i guess u could just sample tones u make with it...but like the tb303...the sequencers accent and portamento are the keys to making really cool sequences...i may be mistaken, but i dont think u can store sequences on it either....im pretty sure u have to backup to cassette...altho ive heard a rumour of a hack and a computer program u can use to save with thats much easier to deal with.

on the rare occasion i need to program it, the manual is right next to me(it is a little tricky, but i am fluent in rolandeese)...but if i remember correctly its like a cross between programming the sh-101s sequencer and the tb-303's sequencer...tbh...if u have the manual, u should be able to get the hang of the sequencer pretty quickly...its really simple and stripped down.

the mc-202 has the same synth internals as the sh-101 on paper...but the mc-202 seems to do much deeper bass for some reason...it could just be the sh-101 we have tho....when jesse copped the 101, it was pretty beat up...the mc-202 came in the original package...the clear sticker over the lcd was still attached! if u are looking for a 101, a 202 might be a good substitute, and they tend to be a few hundred bux cheaper, cuz not many people know what they are.

By elmacaco Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:09 am
the 303 has devilfish mods...the devilfish mods make it even more twisted....plus there is a filter input...i particularly like loading a hoover or reece sound into the emu...running a morphing filter over the sound there and resampling it....then running the new sound into the devilfish's filters...really twisted dnb and acid tech sounds that way.


This is just bananas. That must be wicked. The devilfish is serious.


i may be mistaken, but i dont think u can store sequences on it either....im pretty sure u have to backup to cassette...altho ive heard a rumour of a hack and a computer program u can use to save with thats much easier to deal with.


http://www.defectiverecords.com/202hack/

Click on Info.

By nick x0x Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:14 am
thanx for that link elmacaco.

the devilfish was worth every penny...the range of sounds it can make compared to a regular 303 is amazing....if u come across one, sell a lung or kidney to get it if u have to.

:)
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By drox Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:17 am
nick x0x wrote:
dj e.d.e wrote:man you got some very nice vintage stuff , i'm jealous
wish i just had a few of those especailly that TB303 and that 909


im actually a bigger fan of the 808


me too we had 2 in the studio and they sound surprisingly very different. but i guess its like that with all analog really.
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By featherboy Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:53 pm
The MC202 hack program...... what it does is convert a midi file to the high pitched audio signal that the 202 would use to save sequence data to tape. So you can write your sequence on a midi sequencer then load it to the 202.

It is made by someone from the UK house label Defected.

By nick x0x Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:07 pm
drox wrote:
nick x0x wrote:
dj e.d.e wrote:man you got some very nice vintage stuff , i'm jealous
wish i just had a few of those especailly that TB303 and that 909


im actually a bigger fan of the 808


me too we had 2 in the studio and they sound surprisingly very different. but i guess its like that with all analog really.


supposedly theres 2 different versions of the 808 out there....the ones with the darker orange start/stop button suppossedly have a louder kick drum and longer snappy on the snare...of course that could just be urban legend...my 808 has the darker start/stop...and it is very bassy...it'll dim the lights in the studio when the kick hits when everything is turned up loud...the 808 is the greatest analog drum box ever.

By elmacaco Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:14 pm
Nick, I played with a Devil Fish at Robin Whittle's house years ago. I would love to have one.

The 808 went through some circuit revisions, but the whole dark button white button thing has been discredited, kick decay varies from each unit due to part tolerances. You can see any circuit revisions soldered onto the board sometimes, I removed a resistor off of the clap trimpot and got a much wilder sound, and extending the kick's decay, even into self oscillation is easy and depicted on Robin's website.

Bywildstyle72 Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:11 pm
to much gear can mess-up the work flow

By Knoxximus Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:58 am
...agreed. 8)

It's like a double edged sword. On this hand, new equipment is cool and can even spark a different kind of creativity just 'cause it's new. On the other hand, you have to have the time to invest to really LEARN the new piece(s), and that time can take away from other things you could have gotten done a lot faster using the tried and true.

By ntalec Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:49 am
elmacaco wrote:Nick, I played with a Devil Fish at Robin Whittle's house years ago. I would love to have one.

The 808 went through some circuit revisions, but the whole dark button white button thing has been discredited, kick decay varies from each unit due to part tolerances. You can see any circuit revisions soldered onto the board sometimes, I removed a resistor off of the clap trimpot and got a much wilder sound, and extending the kick's decay, even into self oscillation is easy and depicted on Robin's website.


Note on the KICK decay mod the resistor value to ues can vary from unit to unit, you may have to play with the value of the resistor to get the best decay.
The value quoted will send a lot of units into self oscillation to quickly and make you loose too much useful decay.
Funny this mod was being done long before people were aware of it and probably pushed the orange button white button debate even further.
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By vinz Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:46 pm
Here are some picts of my home studio !!! :)

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MY NEW MPC60 !! :D :twisted: