Mastering Questions.

Rob_10304 wrote:

hey, Rob_10304 Shocked
that's the dumbest comment on mastering I've ever heard...
I also "master" (forgive me if I call it like that Rolling Eyes ) my sht in cubase and I really get decent results. For shure it won't sound like the sht you hear on mtv; but as said before: this is hip hop! I don't even want my beats to sound like p-diddy sht. listen to 'enter the wu tang'! I'm shure they haven't spent much on mastering (if they have at all) and there's no doubt that this album is one of the greatest hip hop classics!
another point is that if nobody should try to master his music in his bedroom studio, who will master your beats in thirty years? when all the great mastering engineers are dead or def, who will master your stuff if nobody ever tried to master?!
so just because you don't have a clue of how to master in cubase, it's not said that it ain't possible...
anyway; go on spending your cash on "master'ers"; I'll go on mastering in cubase.....

wot?

the thing is! people like you get confused with mastering and mixing!!!!

Enter the Wu Tang [which is one of my fav rap albums of all time], was probably mastered very little!

Its down to the way it was mixed!

if it was mastered it was probably limited and compressed very severly before it was printed to C.D! and thats about it! hence the fact it sounds awful! but awful in a good way! because that was the RZAs mixing style, to make things dirty and grimey!

Mastering is all about bringing out the best points of the mix, to a so called "industry standard"! thats why so many produces who like things grimey and dirty, rarely pay anyone to master for them!

Eqing drums, compressing the vocals, the filtering the RZA did on the bass! thats all Mixing! creative mixing! it has nothing to do with mastering! mastering is the final link in the chain, the end of the whole production process where the Music or Audio is "finalized" or "sweetend" to an acceptable industry standard before it is printed to C.D!!! all you people saying "i can master in Cubase, Cubase has rele nice plugins for mastering"! no it doesnt! Cubase is Sh_t!!! if your trying to get your sh_t to sound more like th RZA and less like Puffy, then thats down to the way you mix!!! it has nothing to do with mastering!!!!

Mastering as i sed before is final, the last part of the mixing process! where, the masterers job is to bring out the audio, compress it suitably for commercial C.D release, add some shine to it, bring out the way youve EQ'd the drums!! but only very subtly!!!!!! someone once told me that if a good mastering engineer has to boost by more than about 3dB anywhere within the mix, hell give you it back and make you remix it!!!!

do some research, get your facts strait!!!

and you cant master in Cubase, contrary to popular belief!!! lol.

"anyway; go on spending your cash on "master'ers"; I'll go on mastering in Cubase" ......lol! thats the funniest thing ive ever heard! you walk in to a room full of Pros and say that, youll get laughed out the door!

fool!

RoB

I know that, freak.

I master in Wavelab. That's where you slap on the exciters, para-EQs, and Multi-Comps and adjust to taste. Then normalize, then limit. It's waaaay more technical than that, but in a nutshell, there it is.

Smoove03 wrote:

dstruction wrote:man, get a Distressor, and your drums will knock like crazy.

especially your drums

yea i heard the same thing....you workin wit one, d?

nah but my man rock solid has one and every time im at his lab i got to hear him talking good shit about it. his music is crazy now

lol!!!!! u qoute "Master In Wavelab"! lol!!!

now THATS the funniest thing ive ever heard



..................FREAK!


lol

RoB

Wavlab is actually the only regular folk software that is mentioned in Bob Katz's mastering book, everything else is specialty mastering stuff like Sonic Solutions. Wavelab is mastering software, maybe not the best, or the most expensive, but Bob Katz isn't Laughing.

u can master tracks in protools cubase nuendo logic wavelab peak pretty much anything, but u can't master in half u cat's rooms. the most important part of mastering is having a room that is tuned. go into a mastering engineers room and u will then understand exactly what i am talking about. there will always be tracks like the bridge is over which krs said was recorded and printed as is, but the bulk of what u hear on the radio is mastered properly. it really isn't that expensive to get your stuff mastered. i know a few of the big guys that r on the back of that cd that is in your stereo that master tracks for $300 per if u give them a hole album the price goes down. the question of the day is if u aren't getting your music heard by majors then why do u need your tracks mastered anyway? concentrate on being creative and writing great songs. all the greats never had to worry about engineering mixing or mastering. i personally try to do it all and have done so with great success, but that comes from spending night and day in the studio around some serious cats for many years. we arent lacking beats in this world just good ones.

elmacaco wrote:Wavlab is actually the only regular folk software that is mentioned in Bob Katz's mastering book, everything else is specialty mastering stuff like Sonic Solutions. Wavelab is mastering software, maybe not the best, or the most expensive, but Bob Katz isn't Laughing.

Thank you, El.

Now Rob......put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

I think this rob thing is some 13 year old kid just tryin to piss everyone off.

yeah for some reason he just answers peeps post calling them shit- hardly knows what he is talking about- or has yet to prove it...

greg

I Think This Rob Dude is the one who is missguided.. Thinkin' That mastering can only B done at "Grand Studio's".

So Rob... Please Do Sent you Music To Sterling Sounds, Pay Allot Of money before seeing any in the first place.

MF and Madlib are really Dissapointed in you !!!!!


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!!!! BETTA BELIEVE !! THAT!!!!! !


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Independant artists get their stuff mastered, Madlib, Doom, all thos cats send it to pros that make it sound how they want it.

What makes Wavelab a mastering program is high level of digital precision and tools that mastering engineers use, like error counts and different tests of the digital integrity of a file or a CD burn. Wavelab's got all that, and if you take a file, normalize it in wavelab and normalize the same file in Soundforge, you can hear the precision that Wavelab has over SF. I used to use SF all the time, but the EQ and serious processing wasn't sounding so hot, once I heard Wavelab and realized that it is coded to a higher standard, I was all over it. i still like SF for chopping computer samples tho.

You think all your CD's are exact copies? think again.

http://www.prismsound.com/downloads/cdinvest.pdf

http://www.johnvestman.com/digital_myth.htm

BreakMyFever wrote:binger0, definitely check out the iZotope's mastering guide, also if you're not even planning on using their Ozone plug-in.

I totally agree with the homie here... I use Ozone 3 and i think it's great for learning the extents that your finished mixes can go to. It's one interface that intails all and it has a very detailed help menu... something that someone like ourselves, can step their understandings up from. For the music i make (hip-hop) and for the money this plug-in costs ($199), it doesn't get any better than this. It's for Mac and PC, and it installs in your sample editors as well. I think you'd really dig it...

elmacaco wrote:Independant artists get their stuff mastered, Madlib, Doom, all thos cats send it to pros that make it sound how they want it.

What makes Wavelab a mastering program is high level of digital precision and tools that mastering engineers use, like error counts and different tests of the digital integrity of a file or a CD burn. Wavelab's got all that, and if you take a file, normalize it in wavelab and normalize the same file in Soundforge, you can hear the precision that Wavelab has over SF. I used to use SF all the time, but the EQ and serious processing wasn't sounding so hot, once I heard Wavelab and realized that it is coded to a higher standard, I was all over it. i still like SF for chopping computer samples tho.

You think all your CD's are exact copies? think again.

http://www.prismsound.com/downloads/cdinvest.pdf

http://www.johnvestman.com/digital_myth.htm

Thanks for having my back, fellas.

Note: There is not a HINT of sarcasm in the above post.

i got a question to that b. katz book: i been reading it a while back and found it really an interesting read that covers many aspects and contains many tips and tricks ... all real interesting

... then i checked out his list of dope mastered cds from 60s til present. well, dunno bout you - but there s not one single record or cd named there which i like or is close to what i m after. so my thought: how would a real hiphop, dnb, techno, trance or whateva album sound out of mr. katzs mastering studio? ... and how good do you think are his hints if your not into rather popular pop and rock music? ... mr. katz seems goin crazy for beatles, stones, steve wonder, pink floyd, sting, paul simon ... and the like ... any thoughts?

Well, I just ordered the book actually. My goal is to glean what I need, then make it my own. Obviously Bob Kartz ain't doin' hip-hop, but the science and theory behind music and mastering is universal. By getting a good understanding of those basics and how what applies to what and why, you can then apply that to your vision and mix/master with confidence.

listening to how an album was mastered is a different thing than what we tend to think of as the sound of the record.