MPC quantise/swing templates in Logic

I was talking to a producer yesterday who said he was running Logic Audio and using swing quantisation templates imported from the MPC. He said doing this he has managed to get exactly the same goove and timing as the MPC in Logic. I disputed this but he also went on to mention playing an MPC drum and Logic side by side and them phasing.

My question is basically has anybody else used MPC quantise templates in Logic and is it just the same as the MPC ?

logic relies on midi- the mpc's internal engine doesn't; meaning things are played at the same time not serially, therefore logic can imitate the note placement but cant quite get the tightness as itr can only play one midi note at a time...

you can do it the flip way too- some classic house swings are logic b and c= b equtes to about 57-58% and c is 62% mpc swing

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dubmunkey wrote:logic relies on midi- the mpc's internal engine doesn't; meaning things are played at the same time not serially
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I also mentioned this to the producer he still said the midi timing was the same. But I agree the tightness will never be the same!

the note placement will be the same but the midi timing wont as midi can only play one thing at a time, menaing any layered hits are actually sent sequentially- albeit very fast....

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Back in the Stone Ages, there was a really cool sequencing program called Vision by Opcode (you may be able to download an old Windows version at the following link http://www.sonicspot.com/vision/vision.html). Vision was one of the first to include MPC and Linn 9000 templates set at various swing levels and they were some of the best I'd ever heard.

As an experiment, I copied the templates by hand (the demo version I had didn't allow cut and paste) and programmed them into Cakewalk. The result was very VERY close to the MPC, but not exact. Due to the obvious limitations of MIDI, nothing will ever capture the rock solid timing of the MPC's internal operating system, but it was in the ballpark.

I agree with what you guys are saying for real... but dude was talking about some top producers selling their MPC's after using MPC templates in Logic !! I didn't believe it, which is why i posted the question...

MPC 4 life baby !!! LOL

Double post

dont realy understand that-

ariesmale do you have a 2000 model? just wondering how the classic swing templates compare to the ones on the 2000xl model- some say they are the same , some say different

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dubmunkey wrote:ariesmale do you have a 2000 model? just wondering how the classic swing templates compare to the ones on the 2000xl model- some say they are the same , some say different
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I own an MPC 60, though I've used the 2000 and XL models on various sessions. Personally, I've never noticed a difference in swing.

thats good- ive heard alsorts of differing opinions- dont really bother me as im not after the 60 swing anyway but is interesting to know if they copied linns original swing ideas
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ive gotta find the article from computer music like 8 years ago, was about roger linn and how he created the swing function on his atari, then adapted it to his drum machines

yeah you do!!!

that sounds real interesting!!

nanoloop wrote:ive gotta find the article from computer music like 8 years ago, was about roger linn and how he created the swing function on his atari, then adapted it to his drum machines

I'd like to read that, too. Roger Linn's father was one of my teachers in college. One day, he came to the campus and I almost lost it. He was hella cool.

I asked him why his quantize and swing functions were so different from everyone else's. He said that unlike the quantize on other drum machines and sequencers, which correct everything to perfection, his quantize contains slight imperfections to simulate a real drummer. He said this also applies to his swing, which is imperfect.

A few years later, he sent me the expansion chip for my old ass 60, which gave me more sample time and data compression. Too cool.

Rog is the man.

Mantis Beats wrote:.... he also went on to mention playing an MPC drum and Logic side by side and them phasing.

First of all, this doesn't make sense but if it means what i think it means your friend is lying.

Secondly, if the only benefit someone gets from using the mpc is the swing settings then they should sell it and let it go to a better home.