Drum programming using mute groups

This might be a really obvoious question (and I have read the manual),

Does anyone use the mute group function for drum programming on the MPC1000?
I program my hats on one track then I do my kick n snares on another and I want my snares to hit hard without any hat in them( i need my snares to overwrite the hat). The problem is, it seems like the both snare and hat play together and create a clip sound. I have suceeded a few times in getting the snare to overlap the hat but then eventually it goes back to the hat overlapping the snare.

No huge drama I can just do this shit in step repeat and remove the hat in there but it would be convenient to it using mute groups.

i'm keen to see if anyoine is doing beats this way.

thanks

hey there.

The problem is, it seems like the both snare and hat play together and create a clip sound. I have suceeded a few times in getting the snare to overlap the hat but then eventually it goes back to the hat overlapping the snare.

here's the problem - your snare plays first, then maybe a tick later your hat plays. this causes your hat to cut off your snare. or they both play at the same time - and i'm not quite sure what would happen in this case but i doubt it would be phonetically pleasing.

the best thing to do is not use mute groups in a situation like this. instead, just don't program a hat where your snares will go. you'll get used to it.

and here is my BIGGEST TIP for drum programming - TURN OFF TIME CORRECT!!!!!!! let your drums be loose and natural! double the resolution of your bpm and program away!

why don't you just do this......

record as you normally would (record hats all the way through) on one track and your kick & snare on the other. once you have all that down, just go back to your hats track and record enable the mpc and then where you don't want the hats (where you say it clips with the snare) and press the hats pad along with the erase pad for the duration of the snare.

there you have it. hats not playing when your snare is playing.

quick, easy and painless.

hmmm..i really can´t see this as a big problem, why don´t you just record boombap kicks and snares first, then add the hat later? just don´t add it over the snares..this is really not a problem, guess you´re just lazy..

Mute groups for drums?? not unless there drum loops and you want to play certain parts in your sequence...

other than that, mute groups are good for samples, but let me not get into my techniques into making beats...shall we..

actually, i have always wondered how the mpc choose which sample to play when the 2 "mute" samples play exactly at the same time (on 2 different tracks).
does anyone know that ?

probably the same case as what happens when the polyphony cuts something out. the first sound playing is the one that goes.

but what happen when two sounds play at the same time. (i think this was kind off the initial problem of this thread).

i wonder if higher track and/or pad number have higher priority over the lower one (in case both sounds play at the same time).

not a big issue though (but if i can be bothered i'll experiment to find out. maybe...)

......maybe you should do it and try it out?

to sounds play at the same time, will either PHASE, or in terms of how the mpc works they for some reason become louder...
mute groups however as we know cancel each other out providing they are on the same mute grp number....

there are no priorties, just groups...pad 1 and 2 can be on group 1 and pad 3 and 4 can be grp 2,

grp 1 will mute onlt whats on 1 same for 2, they dont work interchangably..

does that help?

using mute groups can be great also with vocal horn or guitar samples. matter of fact i was working on a song last night with a bunch of sax samples and they were all on the same mute group

i meant when they both play at the same time - whichever sound is "first" on the tracklisting probably is cut out by the other. if they're both on the same track, it's probably whichever is programmed "second" on the sequencer list overrides the first, even though they're both listed as playing at the same moment.

understand?

truvc wrote:but what happen when two sounds play at the same time. (i think this was kind off the initial problem of this thread).

i wonder if higher track and/or pad number have higher priority over the lower one (in case both sounds play at the same time).

not a big issue though (but if i can be bothered i'll experiment to find out. maybe...)

Go to step editing and LOOK... what ever is there first will play first. Also you can record one instument in mute group then if you over dub or use another track to record another intstument in that same mute group it will have the priority over the previously recorded instument like it should, you will have to make sure your timing is on point to asure that you are hitting it at athe exact time at the other one, Easy!!!!

I really can't understand his issue with the snare and the hat playing at the same time. What does a drummer do? Play them both.. if it is mixed properly it will sound like a real drummer, right?

i think it's extremely hard to get anything that's not a drummer really sound like a drummer. the closest i think i've ever hear is like five seconds in this one hrvatski song and then most of the stuff on the new JAMIE LIDELL. but yea any1 who hasn't heard of jamie lidell needs!! to listen to the most recent album MULTIPLY. it's the best soul music that white people could ever make

abunchofsounds wrote:i think it's extremely hard to get anything that's not a drummer really sound like a drummer. the closest i think i've ever hear is like five seconds in this one hrvatski song and then most of the stuff on the new JAMIE LIDELL. but yea any1 who hasn't heard of jamie lidell needs!! to listen to the most recent album MULTIPLY. it's the best soul music that white people could ever make

yea its been doing its rounds at my place , very different

i think it's extremely hard to get anything that's not a drummer really sound like a drummer.

check out Bonobo's "Dial M for Monkey." it's an instrumental album. the finest drum sampling i've ever heard. you'd dig it.