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By TIMP Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:31 am
Are they any good, anything to sample on these?

Touchdown, Heads, H, Sign of the Times and any of his other late 70's-early 80's releases

I get the feeling that their pretty corny


Did anyone know dude dropped 7 albums since 2000? He's on his grind
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By dj dcypher Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:44 am
I like most of them, some are a little "pop jazz" sounding..... just keep in mind that all Bob James albums have been sampled to death.
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By TIMP Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:01 am
^I know they've been sampled tons of times. Sometimes it just feels good to freak a classic sample in a new way.

By simcity Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:46 am
Oh theres tons of stuff to sample on those. just be careful of bob james' wrath. He may seem like a cool happy go lucky dude.....
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By TIMP Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:22 am
yeah, I heard him in an interview about his views on sampling
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By Krux Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:07 am
TIMP wrote:yeah, I heard him in an interview about his views on sampling

...and? Where was the interview?
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By TIMP Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:20 am
someone had posted a link to it on a message board, I dont remember which one, but he doesnt like people sampling, he said why dont they just make it sound that way by playing the instruments themselves
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By mpc4000xl Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:15 pm
I LUV THE BOB JAMES JOINTZ..........................

Here are my favorites

1,2,3,4...............
Lucky Seven
12
Foxie
Heads
Touchdown
Handsdown
H
Sign of the Times


Bob James n Earl Klugh......One on One.......Two of a Kind
Also Don't Overlook any of those Bob James works for Grover Washington.......Very Good for the Most Part..................

The Thing that Makes the First Four SO SPECIAL is Bob's Seamless mixture of JAZZ/CLASSICAL/FUNK and even Pop...........................

Combine that with Virtuoso Level Players and U GOT PAYDIRT

MANY OF THESE TRACKS are GREAT To Sample Be Cause they Seem TO SHIFT DRAMATICALLY!!!!!!!! and without WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You could hear the most simplistic flute riff and then From the Far Left Comes STEVE GADD on Some Dirty Funky DRUM SHUFFLE or RON CARTER
on Some Upright bass Groove and Ur Like HuH.......WHAT..................

this is Far From ANY JAZZ ALBUMS U WILL EVER HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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BOB JAMES / “Nautilus” (From Bob James One)


“My favorite break is ‘Nautilus’ by Bob James. And if I figure out a way to flip it again, I will.”
—Evil Dee, of Da Beatminerz / Black Moon


The common definition of ‘friction,’ the one we all know, is ‘the rubbing of one surface against another.’ In the world of physics, ‘friction’ is defined more specifically. ‘Friction’ — from a scientific point of view — is ‘a force that resists the relative motion or tendency to such motion of two bodies in contact.’ In other words, ‘friction’ creates ‘stickiness.’ When two bodies make contact, they exchange bits of themselves, whether they intend to or not. Sampling – the act of lifting, splicing, cutting, scratching, looping or otherwise re-recording a previously recorded piece of music – creates friction. Lots of it.

The first ‘body’ in question is Bob James’ "Nautilus." The second body is hip-hop. Hip-hop DJs and producers have sampled "Nautilus" many, many times. Each time hip-hop samples "Nautilus," friction is created — a piece of "Nautilus" is embedded in the body of hip-hop. But, friction is bilateral, it goes both ways — each contact also leaves a piece of hip-hop imbedded in "Nautilus." The concept of musical friction explains why hip-hop fans sometimes like the jazz, R&B and funk records that have been sampled by hip-hop as much as they like the hip-hop records themselves. We may be listening to a slightly schmaltzy Smooth Jazz instrumental, but what we’re hearing is hip-hop.

So, for all you hip-hop fans who’ve never heard Bob James’ "Nautilus," I’d like to be sitting there the first time you do, just to see the look on your face. That, and I’d like to know which hip-hop song you first think of out of the probably 40 or 50 that have been blessed by this beat. And I have news for you: if you make it through the first 20 seconds of "Nautilus" without thinking of a hip-hop song, you can keep on calling yourself whatever you want, but you ain’t a hip-hop fan.

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For me, three records come to mind before any others. The first is Slick Rick’s "Children’s Story," mainly because the "Children’s Story" rhythm is the original, the first time anyone sampled the "Nautilus" bass line and drum loop. I thought. But when I went back to listen to "Children’s Story," I realized Slick Rick is rapping over a replayed version of "Nautilus" as opposed to an actual sample. If you’re in the habit of reading the fine print of your CD inserts, you’ll recognize that the "Children’s Story" rhythm is properly called an interpolation, not a sample. But it’s dope and Rick is a genius, so I’m going with it anyway.

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The second song is Ghostface Killah’s "Daytona 500" because Raekwon (“index finger be sore, bustin’ these fly scripts”), Ghost (“the arsonist who burns with his pen”) and Cappadonna (“your out-of-order tape recorder can’t record my slaughter”) are so amped and because RZA took what is essentially a mellow, clean groove and made it sound aggressive, hype and very, very dirty. (I wonder if he used an old copy of the record. The cymbals sound like shit. In a good way though.)

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The third record that comes to mind exemplifies one of the most beautiful-est things about sampling. (Extra points for recognizing the reference :lol: ). About 3 1/2 minutes into "Nautilus," as a lead-in to the bridge, Bob plays a two-note keyboard riff. Bob’s little riff is one of those ‘Blink And You’ll Miss It’ moments, a segment of sound no longer than a second (if that), but it was distinctive enough for Run-DMC to hijack and reuse it as the musical hook for one of their last singles still worth listening to after all this time, "Beats To The Rhyme."

For a fan of Eighties- and Nineties-era rap music, listening to "Nautilus" is like listening to a hip-hop instrumental that should loop but never does. Instead, the opening bell-chimes (one familiar sample) drift into a drum break (another familiar sample) which drifts into a piano solo, which ends with that odd two-note figure (yet another sample), etc. For those who’ve ears have been tuned to pick out rap samples, "Nautilus" is a classic: a Smooth Jazz record that has come to suggest hip-hop without actually being hip-hop.

MORE ON Nautilus and BOB JAMES HERE.........
http://www.kalamu.com/bol/2005/07/17/52/


AS FOR BOB JAMES OPINION ON SAMPLING........................

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People are most likely Referencing his comments from "BATTLE SOUNDS"
I WANT THAT DVD ITZ HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also there are "BATTLE SOUNDS" clips on disk 2 of "SCRATCH" DVD which IZ HOT!!!!!!!! ALSO but I do own it.................. :lol:
and I'm not sure but I don't think the BOB JAMES CLIP IS There.............


http://www.battlesounds.com/

His Comment is basically on how pointless it is sometimes Quote "I'm Happy to take the money but often I can't tell what it was .......so whay do you need to sample it......I suppose if that is the only sound that sounds right to them then "OK" on the example of "MARDI GRAS" he says it really wasn't seen as anything special at all and it is amazin' to him now that people are STILL facinated with it 20 years later etc."

He did not say he hates samplin' he eluded to prolly not fully understanding it and the whole clearence issues............he even said if its a small part then "Use it" and I would Have "NO OBJECTION" if it sounded different from mine.............
but i'd be STILL Leary of the other parties involved be CAREFUL!!!!!!!


Listen Here...............

http://www.battlesounds.com/video.html#

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SEE YOU GUYZ ARE WRONG for Startin' me UP EL-MAC Would tell YOu I Could talk about BOB JAMES TILL ARMAGEDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HE HAS ALOT OF STUFF THAT STILL IS VERY USABLE AND HE HIMSELF MENTIONS THAT IF U USE IT U SHOULD BE FLIPPIN' IT .....................

AND WHO AM I TO ARGUE WITH BOB JAMES.......I THINK I'LL DO JUS' THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TRUST THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:P :P :lol: :lol:


8) .. 8) .. 8) .. 8)
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By TIMP Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:52 pm
^damn, you blessed this thread, thanks.

its been a while since I heard that interview, for some reason I thought he didnt like it

dude is like the haile selassie of hip hop, he doesnt know why mufukka's are so fascinated by his work...............CAUSE ITS THE SHIT!
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By Krux Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:53 pm
Nice post!
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By bhunt Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:50 pm
TIMP wrote:
mpc4000xl wrote:OH Don't Let Me Forget..................................

NAUTILUS

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0WUSQ ... XMHFL6PYI0


every producer has to flip this at least one time in their career


9th done let it out
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By itchyvinyl Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:06 pm
Out of all the Nautilus flipping that's gone on, that "Beats To The Rhyme" loop is still the one that fuuks me up the most.

To me, all the Bob albums have a pretty high cheese content..........but they all have some great 'moments', which is why they're prime for sampling.

1,2,3 are better than the other ones.......but "Touchdown" gets extra points for me because it has the theme to Taxi......I always dug hearing that on TV as a kid (those who are old enough know what I'm talking about.)
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By TIMP Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:07 pm
bhunt wrote:9th done let it out


what song did 9th use Nautilus in?