What filter/plugin for those Aphex Twin sound drum crunch's

elmacaco wrote:Aphex doesn't make his own shyt, he may have made some things but that myth isn't as out there as people think.

I think an S1000 and a tracker can do it.

yeh everybody says that.. I even read in an interview... but you gotta take it with a grain of salt. He probably did some modifications on his TR707 & SK-1 .... I can do that



What he does all the time is, he runs his TR707 through his MS20 and start freakin untill something interesting comes out which he records and chops and twists untill it becomes even more satisfiyng


Dont forget Richard James can play the piano and knows a lot more about music theory than most peeps in his genre
I have Druqs and its a more classical piece with dnb influences... or is it the other way around

Ill post one of my IDM kindo beats tonight

Yo Drumtrak, I reckon it's pretty easy to do IDM on the MPC, although it's even easier in live. I use a lot of 16 levels tuning and note repeat.

"What he does all the time is, he runs his TR707 through his MS20 and start freakin untill something interesting comes out which he records and chops and twists untill it becomes even more satisfiyng "

Yeah baby! Dont forget the MS20 has a very unique pitch to voltage processor called the External Signal Processor (ESP). This allows you to plug in a guitar, mic, tr707 and generate a CV and Gate signal from the supplied audio. This can then be routed anywhere. A conventional use is to plug in a guitar and route the generated CV and Gate to the MS20's CV/Gate input. This means you can now play the MS20 via your guitar. Plus, this works VERY well. I have done tracks where I get a 303 line to play the MS20 and it tracks perfectly.

Obviously if you provide it with a drum line as discussed above, things start to get very crazy and unpredictable..

Yup

my take on the aphex style of drum programming has got to do with step editing. assigning velocity to filter in the drum sample programme is also a good start. using very high resolution step programming allows yuo to get real intricate patterns and rushes going very quickly, and automatable parameters shuch as velocity to filter or pitch or whatever is easily controllable. I would use logic to do this, cos of the matrix editor. but any seq. should be able to do it. in the mpc you'd probably have to double the tempo (i use a mpc60 - don't know about the others).I've tried it in the mpc, but never really too happy with the results. Another good drum machine for this kinda style is the Yamaha ry30. but it's swing is a little stiff and the stock sounds are shyte.

well both squarepusher and aphex are the kings of step-edit yet they also do stuff to get instant crazieness so whilst lots of rolls will be rpogrammed they do do that tight looping of drum hits to get a buzzy sound (here hoping im talkinga bouut the right aphex twin sound)...ive had cool zipper noises using just a self-oscillating filter like my frostwave

greg

What do you guys mean by IDM??

IDM is an old term that means "intelligent dance music".........which is funny because a lot of the stuff that would be considered IDM isn't really good to dance to. It just means more 'out there' or experimental.


For those looped buzzy sounds, you can also use your NOTE REPEAT button with the timing correct set to 1/32(3) and the tempo set pretty high.

I've heard people say intelligent dance music before but didnt put it together when they said IDM.. a bit slow this week..

i'll give that a go with the 1/32 (3).. everyone's given over a lot of suggestions so i have a bit to work with...

If your after some of those weird Aphex Twin type efects, he uses a program called CDP alot. As BT used too. I can also hear some of is stuff is from a program called Supercollider. As BT uses too. Ive played around with Supercollider which is the most complicated thing Ive ever come accross. But once you get the hang of it, sounds awesome!!! If you wanna start messing with the skipping, fast repeating stuff, there's a plugin called "phutboyslim" which does it. Its really good for a starting point. I listen to alot of BT, Squarepusher, Autechre, and Aphex Twin because I think they are pretty much the pioneers of a new sound. Richard D James seems to create alot of mystique about what he actually does, coz I guess he doesnt want other people biting it, which is fair enough I guess. If you wanna check out some amazing stuff, check out BT's "Movement in still life" album. That is production plus!!

Cheers.

thanks for the heads up Triple-A.. i'll do a search of those programs and plugins and see what i can come up with.. Cheers for the heads up on the BT will check it out as im a fan of all the other stuff you've listed...

SND does some costum gear and Aphex is one of they're clients...
http://www.s-n-d.com/index.html

and that drug thing.. i remember reading an interview with Aphex where he got the question if he used any drugs when he makes his music and the answer was that he has tried but it did'nt work

i used to smoke hash and was feeling really creative when making beats
and it sounded real good until the next morning when i listened to it sober
and it sounded like shit

it works for some people but i think it also holds alot of people back

if you're making any complex sounding music i think you need a clear mind
because the drug can fool you blablablah etc. etc.

do the drugs. do some dancing, do some thinking, mess with the grey cells a little. then put it to one side. clear the mind and with a sober head approach the music. don't write and get high otherwise you'll end up with song titles like "the drugs don't work"

I've done both, on drugs is slower but I come up with different stuff, I seem to prefer sober but I have fun with both. sampling is another matter.

I think it's all about step edit and editing your drum sounds carefully on a sampler with good programming. Aphex has used a lot of samples, but S series should do it, that drum and bass interviw from DOA wad really good and he uses an s900 and an s3000, it's just about where you spend your time.