Lloyd banks bangers bassline ?

punkdISCO wrote:hmmm. I think you should learn/use some HPFs.. As one dude suggests: "maybe he's suggesting to use a hpf to get rid of some of the bottom that could make it sound mudddy". Yep, this is our first advantage! You will never get a powerful bass sound whilst your bassdrum and bassline have some overlapping frequencies and the only way to achieve this is to use a HPF

yea true that

"Naw, I still feel that it's counter intuitive."

We are discussing a technical aspect of sound design so intuition is not important.. Compression is not intuitive but I have never heard any (until now) used this fact as an reason not to perform such a technique.

"I'd rather use EQ to fine tune after using the low pass filter."

I resume you mean, you use the LPF to attenuate the high end and then EQ to cut any offending low frequencies that the LPF can't reach? In which case you are probably using a HPF without realising it. Remember, we are using HPFs for 2 reasons - 1) remove offending/overlapping frequencies that will suck out the power in this area and 2) for the HPF resonance trick. So if you are using EQ for shelving, you are using a very basic HPF setup..

"Yeah sure, I can see how you can use it for that purpose but it's just not really necessary."

Clearly it is not necessary. Neither is EQ, reverb, compression, etc etc. However, using these techniques well WILL enhance your tracks.

"EQ would allow you to be more precise with your cutting and boosting"

For sure, you have identified a use for EQ. However, can you please explain how EQ can be used to introduce feedback into a specific frequency of a sound and apply harmonic emphasis at this frequency?

btw, have you used a HPF? If so, can you let us know which ones you have at your disposal as I think we might be able to give you some good advice of how to use these fully. I get the feeling you have missed their main points..

As promised, here is a HPF demo. Very basic MS20 patch: 1 triangle oscillator, LPF 80% open. No effects (snare has a little delay on it). Slight compression used on the final mix to increase volume.

HPF Demo

First 2 bars: HPF fully closed (no effect)
Next 2 bars: HPF 20%, HPF resonance 30%
Next 2 bars: HPF 20%, HPF resonance 50%
Next 4 bars: HPF 20%, HPF resonance 50%. Bass drum routed into MS20 External Signal Processor, triggering a CV envolope which is used to duck the HPF

So, althought only thrown together in 10 mins (not a great demo) hopefully you can hear the harmonic distortion introduced by the HPF which gives the effect of increasing the bass line's lowend in a manner that is impossible with EQ. Further more, 'most' EQs can not be ducked by a bass drum etc, allowing room for your kick.

The MS20 is an incredible synth. For example, the above is done with ONE oscillator - the new Virus TI can produce 1800 oscillators at once; the MS20 has TWO! Yet I would never swap my 2 MS20 oscillators for 1800 Virus oscillators..

See you

Paul

punkDISCO your the man!!!

cause i'm ever so curious about getting mixes right and all the EQ and Balance and compression, giving each sound its place etc, i am very interested in learning all this. hence why i lost when u post replies about this stuff..

anyway!! keep showing these youths man!!! they think cuz they just bought a mpc there good to go producers! haha! ok then...

its decent how you took the time to post a demo of the filters in action.