Hardware bashing....the symptoms of a poser

this thread is is pointless

gunmetal wrote:Does anyone ever listen to the records or whatever they are sampling BEFORE they load them unto the M.P.C.? Because to me, that's better than zoning or timestretch or whatever other crutches one needs to create music. All I need is 10 secs of sample time, a brew, and a dope drumline... Does anyone else feel me on this?
If not then invest in a trigger finger with....i dunno...reason, ableton live or whatever else. The fact that i have 126mb of memory, patience, and an a prolific vinal collection is more than i could possibly need to make dope beats.

I feel you. 10 sec. is good for me.

classic wrote:why do people think there equiment is better then the next mans.

who cares what people use, or how they make there beats all that matters is the END RESULT!!!!

^^^^damn strait!.. but dont forget that one can definately "appreciate" a track based upon the methods and what was used to create it.

Appreciation is definately something that has been revealing itself to me lately when I listen to music of all sound and genre, especialy after participating in this forum. When I listen to the END RESULT I dont just hear the END RESULT anymore. I hear how the person put that music together.. the technical merit, the logic involved, the concept, and even what functions on their gear that they use mostley, all through how the charectoristics of the composition presents themselves. So when I hear a tune.. even if I dont like it, I can admire it for how it has been articulated and produced. This is one of the main things missing from most of our perceptions of music: understanding and respecting the formation and the methods used to compose it, aswell as the means. There is more to it than just the sound, the rhythm, the composition, or the sound source... its all in the concieved image and how that part of a persons creativity is recreated through instruments. We must recognize and accept others as musicians before we can ever truly become musicians, reguardless of their skill level or how much we dig the product they produce. Recognize so you can be recognized.

ntalec wrote:So you believe that it makes you accidentally come up with something?
H*ll that's how most producers I have ever met work until someone teaches them better.
Still I can't see a viable point to the difference in methods.
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exactly

coming up with a catchy hook by accident is the foundations of hip-hop and house

was all about the mis-use of equipment, just chop that sh!t up make it easy as possible to manipulate and "get busy"

Personally I think that sampling another persons music is a crutch no matter how or what you do with it....on the flip side a crutch is a tool that gets you where you're going and I certianly have no problems with using tools...In my case I use the MPC as a sequencer and a sampler but I only use single note samples. I draw the line at taking other peoples music and making it my own...most of my samples I have taken from players that have come through my studio (with permission) or sounds I have picked up in my travels...All that being said, several rap artists have asked permission to samply my music and I give it freely for nothing more than credit in the liner notes...

screw an mpc i chop and splice 2 inch tape to make my beats... hows that for old school. lol

Man`s right it is about the resources you have and the all important EAR.

You have to listen first, make a compostion in your mind with what you hear and execute it with your tools. KISS keep it simple system.

Music makes me high catch that emotion you want to share with others.

gunmetal wrote:Does anyone ever listen to the records or whatever they are sampling BEFORE they load them unto the M.P.C.? Because to me, that's better than zoning or timestretch or whatever other crutches one needs to create music. All I need is 10 secs of sample time, a brew, and a dope drumline... Does anyone else feel me on this?
If not then invest in a trigger finger with....i dunno...reason, ableton live or whatever else. The fact that i have 126mb of memory, patience, and an a prolific vinal collection is more than i could possibly need to make dope beats.

i hear that. but patience is a waste of time. pluss, you cant expand your sound with just sampling from vinal. if u a serious producer or in other words if u REALLY want get creative then u need it all. vinals, synths, etc.
ofcourse u need the skills b4 u move onto bigger equipments.

fader-pro wrote:Personally I think that sampling another persons music is a crutch no matter how or what you do with it....on the flip side a crutch is a tool that gets you where you're going and I certianly have no problems with using tools...In my case I use the MPC as a sequencer and a sampler but I only use single note samples. I draw the line at taking other peoples music and making it my own.

As a musican , i used to think like that... but as i become more of a mature producer i found thats not the case at all.

I dont care how dope of a musican u are there are certain things that can only be done with sampling. You can be mozart on the keys, but you cant recreate the feeling of a chopped piano sample. There is just something about the tonal qualitity of a sample.

Looping something and throwing drums on it is bullsh*t.
When u chopp samples and use them as another instrament voice in compositions, its dope Alot of times i will play a piano riff ,sample it, and chop it, you get a totally differnt feel once that riff is chopped up

I feel where ur coming from (i was there once) but i think u need to open ur mind to the fact that sampling (when done right) is an artfrom un to itself.

class....

People are people everybodies wants to have others follow them


Musicians and Instrument players

On the real alot of great musicians that can really play an instrument understand and resample their own playing like akin to the Roots to get that sampled sound, However alot of people that are not very good play keys and if they were to replay some Mister Magic or Stevie tunes would be beyond their capabilities.

It doesn`t matter in the end as average fan of music would buy the CD or get the download as long as it sounds great. People who buy, enjoy, dance, and collect music could care less how the jam was produced unless you were playing the shit live. And some on this board do not have that kind of skill.

Most instrument players really care cuz they prefer to replay and change up their favorite riffs into something new and to show their skills before an live audience for praise and recognition. But as of today that is seldom the case in midi studio enironments of a one man band surrounded by machines.

Back in the days the great sounds, grooves, feelings and the real talents were of great players were developed by performing live in front of an audience to gain feedback from the crowd and the player digging the vibe. No way a two note home studio wonder gonna to match a Live stage player from Kool and the Gang, Mister Magic, Bob James or Average White Band messing around on a Korg unless they have the chops. That is why the forefathers of this Hip Hop dig to get the best cuz second best just don`t cut it. Unless you`re aiming to become a James Poysner, Scott Storch, or Victor Duplex join a band.


Do you cuz those before, present and after are gonna do what works best for them.

classic wrote:

fader-pro wrote:Personally I think that sampling another persons music is a crutch no matter how or what you do with it....on the flip side a crutch is a tool that gets you where you're going and I certianly have no problems with using tools...In my case I use the MPC as a sequencer and a sampler but I only use single note samples. I draw the line at taking other peoples music and making it my own.

As a musican , i used to think like that... but as i become more of a mature producer i found thats not the case at all.

I dont care how dope of a musican u are there are certain things that can only be done with sampling. You can be mozart on the keys, but you cant recreate the feeling of a chopped piano sample. There is just something about the tonal qualitity of a sample.

Looping something and throwing drums on it is bullsh*t.
When u chopp samples and use them as another instrament voice in compositions, its dope Alot of times i will play a piano riff ,sample it, and chop it, you get a totally differnt feel once that riff is chopped up

I feel where ur coming from (i was there once) but i think u need to open ur mind to the fact that sampling (when done right) is an artfrom un to itself.

class....

AMEN

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As a musican , i used to think like that... but as i become more of a mature producer i found thats not the case at all.

I dont care how dope of a musican u are there are certain things that can only be done with sampling. You can be mozart on the keys, but you cant recreate the feeling of a chopped piano sample. There is just something about the tonal qualitity of a sample.

Looping something and throwing drums on it is bullsh*t.
When u chopp samples and use them as another instrament voice in compositions, its dope Alot of times i will play a piano riff ,sample it, and chop it, you get a totally differnt feel once that riff is chopped up

I feel where ur coming from (i was there once) but i think u need to open ur mind to the fact that sampling (when done right) is an artfrom un to itself.

class....[/quote]

All due respect but I've been there and done that...While there's certianly nothing mature about me (least that what my wife says)...I've been doing music for probably longer than you've been alive and producing for about 20 years. My first sampler was an Emulator 2 back in the eighties and I worked on some of the very early sample based rap...I simply don't get much out of it. I still get exposure to it because I'm in the industry but as often as not it just doesn't rock my boat. Not to say I don't ever use samples but it's extremely rare. I recently faded a drum track into a sample of soldiers marching and back out again: it was subtle but added dimension to the track that definately worked...While I can appreciate sample based music, personally I 'd rather play myself or record other players than sit alone and chop vinyl. I spend a whole lot of time as it is sequencing and creating my own (mostly single note) samples. The best part of my day is when I can pick up a guitar or sax and wail away...When I am forced by necessity to put together music "out of a can", I spend an equal number of hours taking steps to make it sound more "organic" For example, I'll build a horn section using more than one sound module for variety, then I'll go in and play a sax line using a real instrument. It makes all the difference in the world. For the same reason I'll usually lay in real percussion (shakers, congas, etc.) with a programmed drum track...All that being said, It really doesn't reflect on my maturity that I choose not to sample other artists...I can be immature completly without your help. More accuratly it reflects a personal preference and I might add that freedom of expression is one of the main reasons many of us make music to begin with... You were probably just baiting me anyway

i do not think sampling is a crutch, it can be creative in its own right

when you sample you get the air/static/vibe of the original, not just the notes.... you get something that's impossible to capture without sampling the original, and it is in search of that something that people sample

obviously in search of easy bangers that people sample too but to me I use my gut to tell me whether the sample is too obvious/ jacked or if I;ve added enough work to it, it doesn't matter that it started off as someone else

I can't see sampling as a crutch either. I have friends that play most any instrument but I lack the time/resources to record live. I'm old school. I remember when there was no sampling. Most cats rappin and doin beats back then couldn't afford Linn drums, SPs and Emulators or the studio time to use them. A point in time when your dj had to 2 beat backspin records to rock beats. Back to the future. The technology's available and relatively cheap so younger cats are gonna explore the world of sampling. I sample for personal use. No musician gets jacked out of royalties b/c I'm not goin public/tryin to get paid with my s**t. Just me.

it iz a must 2 work your hand. waxs cds dvds tv mpcs ars hard- soft- ware chop loop what every but make it dope. thats all that maters u can have all the dope shit in the world hi price state of the art shit and come super shity. then a cat wit a sk1 comes in and makes the dope shit yo homies U MAKE THE MUSIC DONT LET THE MUSIC MAKE U [Dig Or Die] Fam Gems Rock On