12 bit bass

Probably because the 12bits have less dynamic range, so it's basically more compressed than the other one - making it sound fatter.





Somebody correct me if I'm off.

you can change the bit rate on the mpc can't you change it to 12 also

Ahh! I sold my SP12Turbo about 6 months ago with the view to getting a EmaxI as I did not need the drum sequencer and I want proper control over the filters. Still looking for a Emax. But yeah, 12bits through a snappy VCA and nice VCF does sound good!

Can't answer your question other than a guess (which would be the same as itchyVinly's comments). Interesting question..

Also older samplers have certain A/D converters that impact the sound giving it a warmer and more punchy feel.

jpeg wrote:Also older samplers have certain A/D converters that impact the sound giving it a warmer and more punchy feel.

This is VERY true.

Don;t forget that the XL doesn't sound so hot either. people have experiences like that comparing the XL sound to with 16 bit samplers like the ASR 10, Emu E6400, etc. Althought the XL sounds much better when you sample digital.

The emax does sound good (get one Punk Disco, SE HD only) but don't forget what you are comparing it too. If you side by side it with an SP-1200 the 1200 sounds better than the emax.

12 bit does sound good when done well, but the difference is less noticable with a character 16 bit sampler like and ASR or e6400.

If you side by side it with an SP-1200 the 1200 sounds better than the emax

Hi - yeah, looking out for one. I thought the Emax1 is pretty much the same sample engine as the SP12/1200, all of which are pretty muc the same engine as on the original EmulatorII?

Has anyone ever done a side by side SP1200/Emax1 test?

If you side by side it with an SP-1200 the 1200 sounds better than the emax

Hi - yeah, looking out for one. I thought the Emax1 is pretty much the same sample engine as the SP12/1200, all of which are pretty muc the same engine as on the original EmulatorII?

Has anyone ever done a side by side SP1200/Emax1 test?

It would be really cool if a emax owner could sample (some of) the clean mpc waves on the 'grit wars' page

http://www.hiphopproduction.com/main.php?pageid=article&articleid=12d9c653e96ca9a2ab062&menu=4

and post them on the forum

elmacaco wrote:Don;t forget that the XL doesn't sound so hot either. people have experiences like that comparing the XL sound to with 16 bit samplers like the ASR 10, Emu E6400, etc. Althought the XL sounds much better when you sample digital.

The emax does sound good (get one Punk Disco, SE HD only) but don't forget what you are comparing it too. If you side by side it with an SP-1200 the 1200 sounds better than the emax.

12 bit does sound good when done well, but the difference is less noticable with a character 16 bit sampler like and ASR or e6400.

Why only the SE HD? Been interested in getting an EMAX for a while...

The emax does some serious justice on drum sounds when you sample at 16000 hz or whatever it is.. The lowest rate is too dirty though. I used to sample my sound module/keyboard through this and then cut the sample up in the MPC to give me that chopped up feel. I don't know how muc better the sp1200 is, but for the price, I can't imagine it sounding that much better. I don't know why someone would suggest getting the HD version... any emax 1 is good. All emax 1's sound the same, so get the cheapest one you can find.

Lampdog wrote:

jpeg wrote:Also older samplers have certain A/D converters that impact the sound giving it a warmer and more punchy feel.

This is VERY true.

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE.......................................


OLDER SAMPLERz NOT ONLY SAMPLED at LOW BIT RATES (8, 10, 12) but Had Better Sounding A/D Converters ALSO WHAT IS NOT OFTEN MENTIONED IS these low bit rate samplers often had a NON-VARIABLE FILTER on their input to compensate for their limited banwidth and those 3 REASONS Cause those samples not to sound like other samples ...........................................


1. Bit Rate (Some Also used Lower kHz Resolution 22 etc)

2. A/D Converters

3. Non-Variable Filters


Lowering the Bits only Handles 1 Part of Like A 3 PART ISSUE...........


TRUST THAT


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I have a Waldorf Pulse and Nord Lead 1 for bass sounds, but I find I prefer my bass sounds sampled - I sample my synths into my SP1200 or MPC. It's the A/D conversion, the 12bit SP grunge, the additional filtering. But what also makes sampled bass great is you can take off a tiny bit of the attack to make it sound like a super-snappy envelope.