Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
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By Remedial Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:34 pm
For those who are not aware, input thru, available on the new 2500, allows you to record a sample/phrase/sound thru the inputs of the 2500 in real time and have it recorded to a track on the sequence on which you are working. In other words, in order to get that bassline from your Triton/Yamaha, you no longer have to sample it in the Sample Screen and then try to fit it into your sequence.

Let me know if the 4000 has this. Might be the deciding factor for me between the 2500 and the 4000.
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By TREV Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:58 pm
to my knowledge that is not an option on the 4K.. I used to have to sample it in in the same screen while in play back.. then edit the front and end and drop it in..... sounds dope on the 2500

By adrian Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:15 pm
Just to get this right, you want to record your Trition or Yamaha as a sequence plays on the 4K? In realtime? If that is what you mean it is possible.
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By TREV Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:47 pm
So, you can play something on the keyboard and it will automaticly sample it and assign it to a track ..... while in play back. that is on the 2500.

sorry If I don't get it. we are not talking about midi at all right ... just sampling? sounds cool
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By TREV Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:49 pm
Oh.... sorry... I think I understand what you mean.

By TopFrequency Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:54 am
it only plays through in record mode with monitor set to ON

you can play the rest of the sequence as well though so its OK
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By charlieocali Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:19 am
TopFrequency wrote:it only plays through in record mode with monitor set to ON

you can play the rest of the sequence as well though so its OK




any tips on lining things up. Say after yo play a lead or something, is there a pre roll defualt, just looking for suggestions in general on this ?

thx.
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By Remedial Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:38 am
adrian wrote:Just to get this right, you want to record your Trition or Yamaha as a sequence plays on the 4K? In realtime? If that is what you mean it is possible.


Are you sure? As far as I've gathered it's the same as the 2000XL, where you can midi the keyboard to the MPC and have the sequence you created on the keyboard play at the same time as the MPC's sequence, but you can't record the keyboard sequence "realtime" into the MPC's main sequence screen on an empty track.

But it looks like the 4000 allows you to sample the keyboard sequence in "realtime" within the sample screen while the MPC sequence is playing (if what TREV and TopFrequency says is true). That's not too bad. Much better than the 2000XL, which doesn't allow you to hear the sequence that you created on the MPC while you're in the sample screen.

Maybe Tutor can come thru and set us straight?

By renegadebliss Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:27 pm
Remedial wrote:
adrian wrote:Just to get this right, you want to record your Trition or Yamaha as a sequence plays on the 4K? In realtime? If that is what you mean it is possible.


Are you sure? As far as I've gathered it's the same as the 2000XL, where you can midi the keyboard to the MPC and have the sequence you created on the keyboard play at the same time as the MPC's sequence, but you can't record the keyboard sequence "realtime" into the MPC's main sequence screen on an empty track.

But it looks like the 4000 allows you to sample the keyboard sequence in "realtime" within the sample screen while the MPC sequence is playing (if what TREV and TopFrequency says is true). That's not too bad. Much better than the 2000XL, which doesn't allow you to hear the sequence that you created on the MPC while you're in the sample screen.

Maybe Tutor can come thru and set us straight?


We do NOT need Tutor to come and set us straight. Just a quick review of the Newbie Bible thread , your answer is here.

You can automate the sampling and playback of that sample with this method:

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*******Emulating DAW Recording *******

A) To emulate auto-recording with a pre-programmed MIDI note:

* Prepare an empty Drum Program and in Zone, force all KGs to CONST/ONE SHOT
* In MULTI, assign this Program to a Part of the current Multi, and assign
this Part to an internal MIDI channel, say 1B
* In RECORD, set Trigger via MIDI note on the same MIDI channel, say 1B, and set a slightly longer record time than you want to record (so you can manually stop recording when needed)
* In MAIN, set a new Drum Track out to INT-B, Ch:1
* IN STEP EDIT, insert a note, say Pad A01, at the time where you want to
start recording
* In RECORD, arm recording (waiting for MIDI note)
* Put the sequence in Play
* At the pre-programmed time (Pad event), recording will start automatically
* When you want to end recording, press F6:STOP, or wait until record
finishes automatically at the end of the programmed record time
* Press F5: ADD PGM, select the empty Drum Program prepared above
* Hit the same Pad, say A01, and press F6:DO IT
-> the recorded sample will play in sync with the rest of the sequence


B) To emulate recording on-the-fly:

* Prepare an empty Drum Program and in Zone, force all KGs to CONST/ONE SHOT
* In MULTI, assign this Program to a Part of the current Multi, and assign
this Part to an internal MIDI channel, say 1B
* In RECORD, set Trigger via MIDI note on the sane MIDI channel, say 1B, and set a slightly longer record time than you want to record (so you can
manually stop recording when needed)
* In MAIN, set a new Drum Track out to INT-B, Ch:1
* Turn Timing Correct OFF (so that the MIDI note is not quantized)
* In RECORD, arm recording (waiting for MIDI note)
* Put the sequence in Record (PLAY+REC or PLAY START+REC)
* When you want to start recording, hit a Pad (Full Level), say Pad A01
* When you want to end recording, press F6:STOP, or wait until record
finishes automatically at the end of the programmed record time
* Press F5: ADD PGM, select the empty Drum Program prepared above
* Hit the same Pad, say A01, and press F6:DO IT
-> the recorded sample will play in sync with the rest of the sequence


Of course, if you want to make multiple recordings, you will need to select
a new Track, and change the MIDI channel or assign the already "recorded" track out to PART (so that it doesn't send the MIDI note to the trigger Channel).
Again, this can be planned ahead of time by preparing the "recording" Tracks in advance and only changing the Track Out (Channel or Part) for each recording."
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By renegadebliss Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:30 pm
But to answer your question, the MPC 4000 does NOT have the ability to record from the Main screen. It is ONLY able to record from the RECORD screen, but that doesn't mean that Akai will NOT implement it in the next/last update or they may not.

But with the steps that I listed using a midi note to trigger the recording and playback of the sample are useful for me...


Back to the Studio and Lurk mode...

Dave
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By charlieocali Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:51 pm
renegadebliss wrote:But to answer your question, the MPC 4000 does NOT have the ability to record from the Main screen. It is ONLY able to record from the RECORD screen, but that doesn't mean that Akai will NOT implement it in the next/last update or they may not.

But with the steps that I listed using a midi note to trigger the recording and playback of the sample are useful for me...


Back to the Studio and Lurk mode...

Dave



Thanks alot for the info...... Back to the newbie bible for me..... :P

By adrian Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:51 pm
That is the exact thing I was going to point to, the newbie bible.

And if I remember corectly it was Sean that origanally posted the tips. Anyway, very useful info.
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By Remedial Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:28 am
We do NOT need Tutor to come and set us straight. Just a quick review of the Newbie Bible thread , your answer is here.

You can automate the sampling and playback of that sample with this method:

*********************************************************************************************************

*******Emulating DAW Recording *******

A) To emulate auto-recording with a pre-programmed MIDI note:

* Prepare an empty Drum Program and in Zone, force all KGs to CONST/ONE SHOT
* In MULTI, assign this Program to a Part of the current Multi, and assign
this Part to an internal MIDI channel, say 1B
* In RECORD, set Trigger via MIDI note on the same MIDI channel, say 1B, and set a slightly longer record time than you want to record (so you can manually stop recording when needed)
* In MAIN, set a new Drum Track out to INT-B, Ch:1
* IN STEP EDIT, insert a note, say Pad A01, at the time where you want to
start recording
* In RECORD, arm recording (waiting for MIDI note)
* Put the sequence in Play
* At the pre-programmed time (Pad event), recording will start automatically
* When you want to end recording, press F6:STOP, or wait until record
finishes automatically at the end of the programmed record time
* Press F5: ADD PGM, select the empty Drum Program prepared above
* Hit the same Pad, say A01, and press F6:DO IT
-> the recorded sample will play in sync with the rest of the sequence


B) To emulate recording on-the-fly:

* Prepare an empty Drum Program and in Zone, force all KGs to CONST/ONE SHOT
* In MULTI, assign this Program to a Part of the current Multi, and assign
this Part to an internal MIDI channel, say 1B
* In RECORD, set Trigger via MIDI note on the sane MIDI channel, say 1B, and set a slightly longer record time than you want to record (so you can
manually stop recording when needed)
* In MAIN, set a new Drum Track out to INT-B, Ch:1
* Turn Timing Correct OFF (so that the MIDI note is not quantized)
* In RECORD, arm recording (waiting for MIDI note)
* Put the sequence in Record (PLAY+REC or PLAY START+REC)
* When you want to start recording, hit a Pad (Full Level), say Pad A01
* When you want to end recording, press F6:STOP, or wait until record
finishes automatically at the end of the programmed record time
* Press F5: ADD PGM, select the empty Drum Program prepared above
* Hit the same Pad, say A01, and press F6:DO IT
-> the recorded sample will play in sync with the rest of the sequence


Of course, if you want to make multiple recordings, you will need to select
a new Track, and change the MIDI channel or assign the already "recorded" track out to PART (so that it doesn't send the MIDI note to the trigger Channel).
Again, this can be planned ahead of time by preparing the "recording" Tracks in advance and only changing the Track Out (Channel or Part) for each recording."
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I'm just the messenger here, Big Up for Rob!!!, who posted these tips here on the Forum,

Rob my man take a bow[/quote]

No need to get spicy with me for asking for the Tutor's guidance. I don't own a 4000, so I've never searched out the newbie bible. Is this availabe for all MPC models or just the 4000? I will do a search to see if I can find out.

After reading that piece, from what I can understand, you're setting a midi note on the MPC to start the sequence on whatever keyboard that you're using. But, you have to set the length of the recording or stop it when you want it to, right?

Correct me if I got that wrong.

Thanks for the direction, though spicy.
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By charlieocali Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:57 am
i tried those two methods today, and it has giving me a whole new game plan, the 4000 is sh#ting on everything!!!!!!!!!
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By Blue Haze Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:10 am
He`s not spicy just wishes people would check the answers posted many times in the Newbie bible and the Tips and Tricks. It is sometimes idoitic to repost the same answers over and over and over and over again. Even the tutor and moderator would ask did you do a search or look it up. It is called good manners on the forum and the board for new and old users. Check it out you will see a wealth of info to future questions as well. And yes many people were aware of the input function on the 2500 it was posted on the board from day one of the Sept release.


Welcome to the board however check the pages of info set up to help. :idea: