Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By Jacpot Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:03 pm
what about accoustics should one know? I never read a book about accoustics...I think I make some ok beats... Am I missing out on something?

By FHL Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:58 pm
no.

Compare your 'sound' sometimes to the sound of your favorite producer, and try to find out what it is that make that mix sounds fuller and warmer.
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By binger0 Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:03 pm
acoustics are the way sound travels and vibrates. Its not nessacary but it does make you think about it differently. Its good to know for things like monitor placement and recording. Like micing and setting up your studio. Its pretty interesting and can really up your game as a producer.

By FHL Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:44 pm
For a recording studio it's a must to know someting about accoustics. Fot beats not.
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By jaem Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:10 pm
^^^^

um........

NO!!!!!!!
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By jaem Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:11 pm
^^^^

um........

NO!!!!!!!

sorry...wrong there buddy.....


thanks for playing "talking out of your a$$" here at the mpc forums

...better luck next time

By FHL Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:48 pm
so tell me why acoustics are so essential to you when making a beat with your mpc 'buddy'

By grimaybeats555 Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:51 pm
FHL wrote:so tell me why acoustics are so essential to you when making a beat with your mpc 'buddy'


Well I guess it doesn't matter if you only want to make beats with your mpc and some speakers. But if you wanna get into recording/mixing/mastering I can see how it would be necessary, maybe.

By nanoloop Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:10 am
i'd say skills mostly, time and determination.

By Dos Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:51 am
Acoustics are important because you need to hear exactly whats coming from your speakers and not from the room.
Sound reflects around the room, ie reverb.
You need to control your room reflections to get an accurate representation of your mix. Otherwise you'll hear the speakers and various refelections at different times (ms). This causes the attenuation and accentuation of certain freqencies.
There's so much more to room acoustics, like room modes etc., that i'm not going to go into here but basically you do need to understand room acoustics to hear what your beat actually sounds like.
The most offending refelections are usually from the surfaces nearest your speakers, like the back wall and the desk. All surfaces are absorbant of some frequencies and refelective of others.
Carpet is a great absorber of high energy while quite bad at absorbing low frequencies.
Glass on the other hand is the opposite.
Most of us will be setup in a room with walls that lie somewhere in between.
Room modes, caused by two parrallel surfaces, also cause attenuation and accentuation of certain frequencies. Thats why you will notice that professional studios have no parallel walls or ceiling to floor.
Room modes generally affect low frequencies due to the longer wavelengths and you can clearly hear them by walking around your room and listening to the bass lift and dip. In bad acoustic environments all you have to do is move your head to hear this, thats why it's important to get your room acoustics right.
Try it, try walking to the corner. A typical corner will increase the bass by 6dB!!
This is why bass traps are important.
I could go on forever here. Do you need to know about room acoustics to make a beat???
Basically it comes down to how serious you are about the sound of your mixes.
If you're not that serious then, no.
If you are then, yes.

By jacko Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:33 am
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By max1973 Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:57 am
Dos wrote:Acoustics are important because you need to hear exactly whats coming from your speakers and not from the room.
Sound reflects around the room, ie reverb.
You need to control your room reflections to get an accurate representation of your mix. Otherwise you'll hear the speakers and various refelections at different times (ms). This causes the attenuation and accentuation of certain freqencies.
There's so much more to room acoustics, like room modes etc., that i'm not going to go into here but basically you do need to understand room acoustics to hear what your beat actually sounds like.
The most offending refelections are usually from the surfaces nearest your speakers, like the back wall and the desk. All surfaces are absorbant of some frequencies and refelective of others.
Carpet is a great absorber of high energy while quite bad at absorbing low frequencies.
Glass on the other hand is the opposite.
Most of us will be setup in a room with walls that lie somewhere in between.
Room modes, caused by two parrallel surfaces, also cause attenuation and accentuation of certain frequencies. Thats why you will notice that professional studios have no parallel walls or ceiling to floor.
Room modes generally affect low frequencies due to the longer wavelengths and you can clearly hear them by walking around your room and listening to the bass lift and dip. In bad acoustic environments all you have to do is move your head to hear this, thats why it's important to get your room acoustics right.
Try it, try walking to the corner. A typical corner will increase the bass by 6dB!!
This is why bass traps are important.
I could go on forever here. Do you need to know about room acoustics to make a beat???
Basically it comes down to how serious you are about the sound of your mixes.
If you're not that serious then, no.
If you are then, yes.


Yes acoustics are important, but not to actually making beats, which I think was the initial point.

A beat maker is a musician, and should be focusing on making music. Sure, it's interesting to know the basics of acoustics as matter of musical culture, but that's clearly not fundamental to making beats, nor to making any music for that matter.

There are numerous unemployed sound engineers that know ten times more in this field that we will ever be able to assimilate as dilletantes.

On the other hand, IMO anyone serious about making beats or any other type of music, should take the time to study harmony and orchestration, at least to have a basic understanding of how it works.

That's something that fundamental to making music, and that may save you from the embarassment of having an arranger re-work your beat to accomodate a melody change, because you're incapable of doing it yourself.

In other words, as a musician, no one is going to hold you liable for not knowing shit about acoustics. Same is not true for the fundamental rules of music theory.

By 247beatz Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:15 pm
jaem wrote:^^^^

um........

NO!!!!!!!

sorry...wrong there buddy.....


thanks for playing "talking out of your a$$" here at the mpc forums

...better luck next time


lol
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By Antonym Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:30 pm
my biggest piece of advice

be prepared to sacrifice your social, school and sex life for something more important. if music isn't more important, don't even waste your time.

i say school life but i don't mean drop out or don't apply yourself. just realize that you have something you love more. schooling will provide you with the fire you need to make music sometimes.

sacrifice is the biggest part. if you don't spend upwards of 90% of your free time making beats, reading about music, listening to music as a producer, etc etc etc you are not serious.

it can't just be a weekend thing.