Yoshimi wrote:Blue Haze wrote:No way a two note home studio wonder gonna to match a Live stage player from Kool and the Gang, Mister Magic, Bob James or Average White Band messing around on a Korg unless they have the chops. That is why the forefathers of this Hip Hop dig to get the best cuz second best just don`t cut it. Unless you`re aiming to become a James Poysner, Scott Storch, or Victor Duplex join a band.
Some of my favorite hip-hop and electronic music has been made by people who cannot play any traditional instruments and only use a rack sampler, an MPC, and turntables. It is fair to say that these people will be looked back at with the same regards as you have for older musicians by the generation who came up with them...especially outside the USA. I have known many people who are technically good at their instruments, but cannot make a song...they simply replay cover songs...lame. They are too interested in jerking off a bunch of notes to impress someone or into playing some elses music so someone knows they are good. I'll admit it, I have very limited talent on traditional instruments and can only play drums and guitar minimally...but I think it is silly to look down on someone for not playing...and only using an MPC. The MPC is an instrument just like a camera is. In the Art world people used to diss photography because it was made with a machine. Painting was real art. Now, photography is accepted as a true art form. Why? because the person ultimately makes the composition. It is the same with playing vs. sampling IMHO. Even if you just take a loop and add drums...you are reappropriating it and adding something when the MCs go over the top of the beat. That is like collage to me...and that art form is accepted in the art world. Don't be so closed minded people.
Dude you are funny READ carefully what I am saying??????? The forefathers of Hip Hop Kool Herc , Jazzy Jay, Bambamta are the people I`m talking about sampling from the best like Mister Magic, Bob Powers, and all them cats records. I`m bigging the forefathers up in the thread about how they used the best sources rather than try to half-**** it and play some two note wundertune (Yeah!!!!) like some of the stuff you hear on the radio today. Don`t ........all well you already got it twisted. Learn more of the history of the pioneers of hip hop we should all know how Hip hop was started and where they`re sampling and the sources that they sampled cames from!!!!!
Sampling????????
And one more thing too, no one was playing that style, vibe, or feel of music at that period and now which is why people sample. If the best part of the record is the break why do you need the rest of it? The DJs only wanted to play that beat to ignite the crowds with the break part and the mc to rock the party. All the people want to do was get down not to no disco sound but to the funky stuff the to the beat yall you don`t stop man the drums to break down. It was and still is the culture to find the breaks and rock the party. Chic, Slave, Bar Kays were live at the time but traditional musicians were not playing the breaks in the clubs especially not for some kids b-boying. To many cats now that got in late in the music just don`t understand that even if the melody, chorus, and whatever chops you got can be some Mozart if you want but that the basis is the beat and the drums first with the bass. If half of the cats with keyboard could do like Curtis Mayfield, or Roy Ayers, and others of that calibur people would probably have you play on their tracks or sample your stuff. But half of the keyboard players can`t play half as decent less they doing some of that techno or rave stuff. Sorry guys hip hop ain`t built from no Rave, alot of samples were from the backbone of Funk, Soul, Jazz, and Fusion. Now of course it can go in new directions with a new feel just the majority of the real deal comes from the streets and the streets are about memories of life and the sounds I mentioned before are the soundtracks of life and nostiglia for a whole history of Africian American music and experience in North America from the cradle to the grave. If you have the experience the history of the life it is easy to understand that you can never stop sampling cuz it is for me at least opening up the soul of a people that most never think or would have long forgetten in the rush to go mainstream and pop to make a pop hit. Hip hop saved alot of the forgetten and abandoned legacy of a people which it their music.
If there was no Hip Hop probably 3/4 of the people on the forum would have never even heard or knew what Summer Madness was? Or Memory Lane?
Remember for alot of cats Hip Hop is something that was imported into the suburb or the country totally radical to their concept of music. As for me Hip hop was something being exported sampling is part of it so is a no brainer just a cool ass form of music of what I can already knew, feel and groove on the groove and the beat!!!!!!!!!
As far as two note wonders I was referring to I'm mainly talking about the I just got a Motif, Triton, or some old Moog players doogling on the keys thinking that they are true musicians cuz they don`t sample. If you can play like that classically trained Mark De Lowe guy or some others I would be impressed. But if not maybe you play out more with a band to build chops and let some real fans listen and watch you play. If you can move the crowd why not go into a band.
It is still A DJ with two turntables, MC on the mic and the crowd.
Peace.
