Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By Antonym Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:10 pm
ok this is an idea i had in my philosophy class and jotted down so iwouldn't forget it. it's probably nothing incredible but check it out, it could probably be implemented by some crafty producer

this is a trick for recording two simultaneous files using 1 dynamic and 1 condenser mic and a sound card that can only record one file at a time, like a delta 66, 44, or programs like sound forge which can't multitrack.

k. here we go.

CONDYNAMENSIC RECORDING: -dual channel recording w/out polychannel sound card.

-set up 2 mics, plug em into 2 different channels on your mixer. pan one hard left, pan one hard right.

*bass cut the condenser if you got a low end cut (mackie 120vlz for example)
*leave dynamic eq untouched.

record as normal. this should give you a left channel of dynamic, right of condenser.

save both channels as mono recordings. apply different compression settings and software effects as necessary.

mix the two until a proper relationship is established. do not pan.

> attempt to capture the crispness of your condenser while at the same time keeping the muddier warmth of the dynamic. consider a high pass filter on the dynamic if necessary.

> apply compression over both tracks after merging them to keep a dynamic transition over louder peaks. this will liven the recording's overall personality.

> as you record, take notes on mic placement. which mic should be closer? which further away? capter different vocal sounds via mic placement according to what each song begs for. this takes practice, and i am very unpracticed.

> Possible issues - phasing may occur, but it's unlikely if mixed/positioned properly. hopefully the difference in mic types will act as an overhead mic does in studio drum recording. the dynamic should be used to capture a warmer, more old-style recording while also getting a room ambience which may be edited/attentuated according to taste.

has anyone tried this? i unfortunately lent out all my dynamic mics or i'd try it right away...does anyone wiser in the art of recording see any issues here?
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By jaem Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:02 pm
if you are recording 1 source with two mics panned hard left and hard right.....you are simply getting two (mono) views of the same source......one from the condensor....one from the dynamic...

what ever is panned left is on the left side and right is on the right....

2 mono channels=2 mono channels


do yourself a favor and lay off of the dust buddy

By fader-pro Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:03 pm
I'm not necessarily wiser but I have recorded with a mix of condenser and dynamic mics on a number of occassions. I almost always use a mixture of mics when recording and then scrap the tracks I don't like or create a stereo pair if I like the sound of any 2 mics...I have not found the condenser mic to be very helpful with vocal applications but sax and guitars can sound really good with these mics. When panning two different mic sounds dead center, I have found that if you boost the mids on one of the mics, you need to scoop them on the other or things start to get muddy....same applies to the lows. I will also frequently put a room mic on the sound stage about 10 feet behind the action and mix in a bit of that to taste...
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By jaem Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:11 pm
fader-pro wrote:I'm not necessarily wiser but I have recorded with a mix of condenser and dynamic mics on a number of occassions.


in a tracking situation I have multi-mic'ed, but never ended up mixing the 2 togeather

although I have done this live

57 directly in front of a cello and then an over the shoulder look from a 012

i have mixed DI and mic signals on guitars and basses regularly in a tracking/mixing situation

however the OG q was about recording two mono sources panned hard left and right and mixing them in a program without mixing functions like SF......

thus my advice for dude to lay off of the dust


fader if you wanna start another thread about multi mics/ DIs and micing technics I'm all for it, provided more than just one or two ppl are giving info
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By Antonym Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:21 pm
jaem

you seem to know a lot more about this dust shit than i do...so i'd appreciate it if you leave narcotic references out of a legitimate post. i'm just looking for previous experience on something i intend to explore in the near future, regardless of sarcastic comments 8)

i'm not sure you're reading me right, and if you are, you're not explaining your obviously highly superior advice well enough. my suggestion is to get off your high horse and explain yourself :wink: but do it politely

if you are recording 1 source with two mics panned hard left and hard right.....you are simply getting two (mono) views of the same source......one from the condensor....one from the dynamic...


thanks for the summary--i didn't know cliffnotes covered my posts!

my exact point is to get 1 stereo file which contains 2 recordings, one from each mic which will be broken down into mono files to be mixed in any wav editing program--in my case, acid.

"save both channels as mono recordings. apply different compression settings and software effects as necessary. "

this, to get 2 different recordings of 1 take, preserving the nuances of both dynamic and condenser mics. one could pick and choose at what points in a song to use either mic, or mix the two (something i have never tried but would like to hear).

edit - by the way, i come off sounding harsher than i mean myself to sometimes, so don't get upset cuz honestly i don't mean harm. i just consider it to be fun and games, lighthearted competition that someone starts with rude posts.

i mean **** what's the point of getting offended on some internet board, right?

peace
nym
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By jaem Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:34 pm
in your OG post you act like ben franklin discovering electricity....

so no I wont get off of my high horse as of yet......


does your 'philosopy class' come with dust provided or do you have to pay an additional lab fee???
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By Antonym Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:41 pm
uhhh read again, kid....this is from the VERY FIRST LINE of my original post:

it's probably nothing incredible but check it out


yeah i guess ben franklin probably had equally excited words to shed on the subject of electricity. i can just hear him now.

anyway man you've got me seriously questioning your literacy. congradulations!

any other gems you'd care to drop? i'm having a blast reading them, really.