Chrisitan Hip-Hop

First off, yes I have read the bible, I had it drummed into me when I was younger through religious grandparents, so I'm not speaking having never been "involved" in religion. Historians have indeed proved that many of the events in the bible happened, but as in all good stories, there is no doubting that the bible exagerrated the full extent of the events, in order to make them sound more interesting, and readable. A lot of the events could probably in this modern age be explained by scientists as freaks of nature, but no proof of a higher force amongst us. The ignorance of the people thousands of years ago gave them no logical explanation to the events that they recall in the bible, and therefore I think it is very feasible that they created in their own minds a higher being to explain these occurences.

How would you explain how none of these miracles have ever happened in modern times? Surely if God was originally annoyed by the way the people of earth were living before the whole Noah's Ark story, surely he would have submitted the earth to another similar fate a number of times since?

I don't believe in God, because to me, limiting your life through belief in something that has no evidence of existing makes no sense. I'd rather live my own life, rather than be under the shadow of a book of teachings throughout my life. If you believe in it then thats cool, I can't determine how you live your life, I'm just saying that the whole religious mindset has never been something I've understood the need for.

Definition, I still haven't heard anything in your statements that would disprove the belief in God. It seems as though your childhood experiences have turned you off to the possibility which is understandable but, I could wage the same argument about the law. I had negative experiences with cops when I was a kid. They were always harrassing us in our neighborhood. Why should we have to follow all of these man-made rules that we don't agree with? I'm an adult; I should be able to decide how I want to govern my own life apart from the law, right?

Thats a completly different argument, because the Cops are tangible, I can see the cops, and I can see the people who created the laws that they are enforcing. Whether or not you believe the laws are correct, people who have been given the authority to make these laws have done so, based on the modern climate in which we live.

Comparing that to following the "rules" of some being of questionable existance, which were created millions of years ago is, I think you can see, not at all a fair comparison.

My childhood experiences of religion don't have much to do with my distaste of it. Even at that age I didn't believe any of what was being taught to me, or that I was reading, because the whole thought of worshipping some intangible person or belief just didn't appeal to me. The fact that people pin so much belief on religion does fascinate me, because I personally don't understand how people can be that easily led.

Although I, in your opinion, haven't provided "proof" that God doesn't exist, neither have you proved anything to me to make me think he does exist. I cannot prove anything to you because this is your belief, if your belief is that strong, then nothing I can say is going to sway you towards believing he doesn't exist really.

I think you'll just have to accept that some people don't believe in religion, which was my original point. I don't mind if people do believe in God or whatever, as long as that opinion isn't thrust on other people, with threats of eternal damnation, etc, if you don't follow a religious path.

Definition, I never said that I believed in God. I haven't made any statement of faith (or lack thereof) at all you did. You said that God does not exist and that the bible was a book of fiction. Those are both very strong assertions. I'm not attempting to convert you. I'm just looking for evidence so I can understand your conclusions.

I think you just cant be too fanatical about it. Id like to hear christian influences in hiphop..............not just "christian hiphop" as a genre.

I think its cool to talk about god and jesus, but you need to apply that to everyday life and reality. Reality: Nobody wants to hear a preacher, but you can still preach indirectly with stories and shit.

something like jesus walks.

I want to hear hiphop thats not afraid to talk about jesus but I dont want someone tryin to convert everyone.

If you are corny about it, everyone stops listening and you get people who cop attitudes about religion and miss the entire point to begin with.

Kanye west and jesus walks might not be the best example, but its a good example of smart use of Talkin about Jesus and makin it sound good.

If someone like nas would preach a little, people would listen. Hiphop has alot to do with respect and image, not just the message.



Even though I trust in Jesus as my savior and Im not afraid to say it and im not gonna deny it because of what other people think; I realize the fact that People have been tainted and easily turn thier back to religion. I think If you get people to listen and spark interest (with out over preaching) you do alot more good.

indivisibleProductions wrote:why can't they just be rappers that happen to be Christian, why do they have to be "Christian rappers". It's just dumb


and to everyone saying "how can you knock religion when its about positivity", go suck an egg. What's positive about telling someone they are going to hell if they don't worship Jesus??

Yes, there are aspects of Christianity that are positive, but ****, there are aspects of anything that can be positive. Take the guy who steals a loaf of bread from the store only to take it home and feed his kids with it.

If they were really all about sending out a positive message, then they wouldn't have to say Jesus and God and Lord in every line of every song. They could take about SOO many other issues. But instead, all "christian rappers" do is sing love songs about an invisible man

whats wrong in your comment is that you believe everyone in this world deserves to go to heaven...........when in fact its the opposite. you have to earn your right to heaven. Man is not perfect; heaven is perfect. why do you deserve to go to heaven?

Cyrus, I agree with you. Unfortunately. a lot of "Gospel rap" is not up to par from a production standpoint and tends to sound "bootleg". Many of them take offense to labeling themselves anything other than "gospel rappers" which I think tends to hurt them from a marketing standpoint. Gospel rap is not widely accepted in the secular or religious circuit. There are a lot of them cats around that are pretty tight too.

Big up to anyone producing for Christian artists....
Big up to HHH

Grits are pretty cool...

Cross movement and 116 clique.

Yo Up! when we gon hear you spit some?

In my best info-mercial voice:

for the low low price of $19.99, I can prove that Jesus, as we know it never existed.... ask me how!!!

3rd Floor wrote:Yo Up! when we gon hear you spit some?

We're working on some stuff.........real soon!!1

....It will be on my soundclick page about a month or so


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Keep me posted. I'll pray for you & the fam.

3rd Floor wrote:Keep me posted. I'll pray for you & the fam.

Please do.

Such a refreshing change to hear something like that in these forums.

God bless.