MPC 4000 or Roland MV-8000?

looking forward to it....i am trying to decide between both these units....

Future wrote:I eagerly wait your review of the MV 8000, MPC_Producer. But I have a serious question, Why? I mean If you already own the 4000 why get the MV? I could understand if you didn't have the 4000 but you do. I just believe if its capable of making hits than its good enough, and the 4000 is very capable. Just Blaze, Dr Dre, & Timbaland.... or just to name a few that are making great productions from the 4000. I just feel if you have the 4000 who gives ah @#$% about the MV. But to be honest, I am interested to see what you think of it though. Good luck and enjoy.

on producers using the 4000, are you sure about Dre and Timbo ?
I know that Swizz Beats, Just Blaze and Red Spyda, to name a few, use the MPC 4000 but I'm not sure about Dr Dre and Timbaland...

Dre doesn't even sample. He has others do that work for him when samples are needed. His role is that of a master coordinator. He is reaping the benefits hard work and perseverence. The story is nothing new. Some make it in the music business and most don't. Look at his "2001" CD some time. There is a photo of an MPC3000 with a small warehouse full of used vinyl. Would you honestly believe he listened to all those albums...and more than once at that? In an interview that year he mentioned using various hardware, including the MPC3000. But he was moving on, using new technologies like the Alesis A6 in the interview photo. Eventually he ended up with Logic and ProTools when he realized it isn't the MPC hardware that counts. It's the quality of the product and how fast one can get it to the listeners.

ok mabey not a 4000. But I saw Dre on one of those MTV documentary things on eminem., and Dre was in the studio with a MPC 2000. But its still a MPC. My point wasn't really with the producers I mention, but more with you making great productions with what you already have . Why keep buying gear that does less than the gear you have already(Spec wise the MV falls short of the MPC's specs, Period, no if ands or buts.) I just feel that the money spent on the MV could of purchase any other gear that would compliment your 4000(sound modules, efftect processers, mic pre's, mics, 8 out expansion board etc.)

The MV doesn't do less. It does more than the MPC. Don't pay attention to the specs. They aren't telling the full story. No one understands this machine yet unless they work at Roland. You'll have to wait several months. People are going to argue a lot over it during that time. There is great potential for confusion. But I'm telling you the architecture is more advanced on the MV. Continue reading my weekly reviews in other threads. You will see why you want the latest and the greatest. There are going to be surprises for sure as the mystery unfolds.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out... Akai has almost a Microsoft-like tight grip over the sampling drum machine industry right now, will Roland be able to compete with loyalty and an installed base of Thousands of MPC's worldwide? I actually think the Roland looks promising, a producer who doesn't record the whole album and is just looking to hustle beat CD's to prospective clients can have an easy time arranging on the Roland and burn it straight to CD to hand it out... 44.1K sample rate is enough, it's CD quality and I think the 96k of the new akais is a bit overdoing it... but they make up for that with quality and options, but a clumsy OS is steering many producers away from the 4K and mpc1000 also... so this is going to be a very interesting battle indeed...

You will get to read about interesting MV features in my forthcoming reviews. No one heard anything previously. They are going to capture the imagination of MPC users. Mastering is one of several things. Just stayed tuned and you'll see why Roland plans to capture a good portion of market share in 2004. The surprises are coming.

Herd the same thing with the 909, RS7000, people always trying to discredit the 4000.
I do like Roland gear, I have a V-Synth. Real nice machine, MC909 is real phatt too..It’s not about Akai or even a MPC for that matter. It’s about what works for you.
If you need a unit with an 8 track digital recorder, a mastering section, then the MV is your sampler?? Just sounds like a lot for a machine to do under 3g's. Seriously, how great do you think the digital 16-bit recorder is?? How great do you think the "mastering" section is? Kid yourself all you want; something’s going to fall short. The end result, you'll be looking for a real digital recorder in a few months, and maybe even send out your beats to get mastered or do it yourself with some fancy software. At that point save yourself 1200 bucks and get a MPC1000. You'll be looking for something else to do all the stuff that you’re paying for with a MV. Like I said if I was just starting, this is a great joint. All in wonder with everything at your fingertips.

aprim wrote:Herd the same thing with the 909, RS7000, people always trying to discredit the 4000.
I do like Roland gear, I have a V-Synth. Real nice machine, MC909 is real phatt too..It’s not about Akai or even a MPC for that matter. It’s about what works for you.
If you need a unit with an 8 track digital recorder, a mastering section, then the MV is your sampler?? Just sounds like a lot for a machine to do under 3g's. Seriously, how great do you think the digital 16-bit recorder is?? How great do you think the "mastering" section is? Kid yourself all you want; something’s going to fall short. The end result, you'll be looking for a real digital recorder in a few months, and maybe even send out your beats to get mastered or do it yourself with some fancy software. At that point save yourself 1200 bucks and get a MPC1000. You'll be looking for something else to do all the stuff that you’re paying for with a MV. Like I said if I was just starting, this is a great joint. All in wonder with everything at your fingertips.

Definitely.

Those other products are not drum machines. You are comparing different instruments without any idea what is in the MV or its manual. You will see in time exactly what I am talking about. Forget the mastering part and the all-in-one solution for now. Think of what you are missing on the MPC. If you let your imagination roam, then you willl discover what is on the MV. No one knows this yet except Roland and those few owners like myself. Like I said, just be patient. It takes time to explain everything because it is new and complex. There are things here that have not been available before. Just hold on and you will be glad that you listened. I won't write pages in advance. You have to wait for the review posts.

MPC_Producer wrote:Those other products are not drum machines. You are comparing different instruments without any idea what is in the MV or its manual. You will see in time exactly what I am talking about. Forget the mastering part and the all-in-one solution for now. Think of what you are missing on the MPC. If you let your imagination roam, then you willl discover what is on the MV. No one knows this yet except Roland and those few owners like myself. Like I said, just be patient. It takes time to explain everything because it is new and complex. There are things here that have not been available before. Just hold on and you will be glad that you listened. I won't write pages in advance. You have to wait for the review posts.

Good point.

Word! I always thought the MC909 and the RS7000 were drum machines?

MPC_Producer, you seriously sound passionate about the MV. You probably know something we don't know. Especially for someone with a screan name MPC_Producer. What could of made you so intigue by the MV. You got me wondering....

They are grooveboxes, i.e. DJ tools.

http://www.mc-909.com/

http://www.rs7000.org/index.php

For someone that has a 4000, you seem to be "missing" way more features then me. I have no problem using my 4000 everyday. So what is it missing besides auction from the HD? Other then that, what more can you really need? Unless the MV came Stock with some SRX slots
Yes bugs are bugs, and we will see how many the MV needs to iron out in time.
Your 4000 must of really done you wrong..Akai sucks..yes thats true. But I would trade nuthin for my 4000. Its a great machine people, Dont belive the MV Hype. Wait about 6 months Let it earn some respect.
Again if you want to break it down to MCP4000 and MV8000, comparing different instruments is what your doing. The MV isnt even close to a midi produciton center. Its a Studio in a box. The MPC is your seq for studio, MV is the studio. I put my money on the MPC doing its job for me.
Thats my opinon.
Hey MPC_PRODUCER, do you have other recoding gear? I'm just wonder if this was going to take the place of your gear or will you use it in conjuction with everything?