KANYE WEST.....

yes the exuctive producer is the one who puts up all the money and takes care of all the business so the artist can work freely without worry i woundnt say he is pimping becase if the record dosent sell he loses money

As far as the keys being played in "he don't know my name". there is a part in the song where there is a scale being played, it get's repeated through the whole song. It's from "A Song for You" performed by Donny Hathaway
released in 1971, just in case anyone wanted to know.

Actually if the record flops the executive producer still is pimpin' cause the artist owes him money for the budget that they didn't recoup... music is very dirty business...

Producer: to me (maybe i'm just an old-fassion 17 year-old) is the person who pretty much does everything. He makes the beats, he coaches the artist(s), he does work with the mix, everything.... but words are word, slang is slang - it's whatever you want to call it.... If someone wants to call what I know as a producer, a 'hugglebarry' - thats what it is. Example: I don't consider 'gangstah rap' a hip-hop art form, and i don't consider gangster rappers as Emcees, and then again -- my definition of gangstah rapper is prob. diff than others.

Kanye West (beats): Anyone who stays up-2-date on hip-hop knows this story. Kanye has BEEN making fire beats for just about everyone in the industry, he did ALOT of work with Roc, as well as other companies. He wasn't upset with ROC, he was shopping arround deals and finally decided to go with roc-a-fella (that and they threw him a [from what I hear] nice contract).

Kanye West (rap): No.. Kanye doesn't write Jays material. And he and Jay do not have a very similar flow - granted Kanye has SOME jay influance, but so do a billion other 'rappers'. He is a decent rapper, who at least makes hot tracks (not too much booty, money, and all that)... He wouldn't be as big if it wasn't for his beats.

Jay-Z: Jay-Z doesn't claim to freestyle off the dome all of his raps. He says he makes up the rhyme in his head (According to him takes about 15-30 mins) and while making up the rhyme in his head, he memorizes it.... it's just like writing, minus the pen and pad. Same thing Biggie claimed to do. I really could care less. That doesn't make me give any extra points, or smilie face stickers.

I think Alicia put down the keys... which is kinda ironic...

THANK U!!!

man i was listening to that piano loop and im like "where do i KNOW that from!?!?!?"

yes man that is Donny H!!!!

yeah yo - i mean for my man who was wondering, that definetly sounded like a looped up beat w/mad samples to me.......i could see why kanye was credited with the production

and d samp - i feel what u'r sayin', but in hip hop the guy who makes the beat is the producer oftentimes

it dont necc mean he can produce a jazz trio, but he's still a producer no less in that genre

cant make sweeping statements neg or positive about music and try to paint everything with such a broad brush.........

[quote="Aze"]Producer: Example: I don't consider 'gangstah rap' a hip-hop art form, and i don't consider gangster rappers as Emcees

quote]whether you consider "gangstah rap" a hiphop art form or not, IT IS!! Gangstah rappers are RAPPING, which is a part of hiphop. So the gangster rappers are a part of hiphop just like someone who spits conscious rhymes. As far as "gangstah rappers as Emcees", well first off, the term "ganstah rap" is just horrible. I'm sure you consider KRS 1 an MC, yet he was spitten raps back in the day that are considered "gangstah"
"got myself an uzi and my brother a nine"

Boogie Man wrote:"got myself an uzi and my brother a nine"

KRS is just playing a fictional character in that song. You can't just take that one line out of context. At the end of the song his "brother" gets shot, and he get's racked by the cops...it's got a conscious message underneath.
If you look at the back of the album, there's even a "Stop The Violence" logo on the back of it. I guess that's beside the point though cause he did do Criminal Minded and stuff. After Scott La Rock got killed though, I think his rhymes got more conscious (his next record had the song "Stop The Violence.) Whatever - I'm rambling.

It's not my place to decide how "gangsta" sh!t gets catigorized, but for the most part, I don't relate to it, support it , or buy it. Just me.

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itchyvinyl wrote:

Boogie Man wrote:"got myself an uzi and my brother a nine"

KRS is just playing a fictional character in that song. You can't just take that one line out of context. At the end of the song his "brother" gets shot, and he get's racked by the cops...it's got a conscious message underneath.
If you look at the back of the album, there's even a "Stop The Violence" logo on the back of it. I guess that's beside the point though cause he did do Criminal Minded and stuff. After Scott La Rock got killed though, I think his rhymes got more conscious (his next record had the song "Stop The Violence.) Whatever - I'm rambling.

It's not my place to decide how "gangsta" sh!t gets catigorized, but for the most part, I don't relate to it, support it , or buy it. Just me.

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I understand what you're saying, and I wasn't taking the line out of context. I know he was playing a character. So were NWA, and to most, they're considered the godfathers of "gangsta rap" and not a single one of them were claiming any sets. They were just reporting what was going on at that time and it was so harsh compared to what people were used to hearing that it was labled as "gangster". Its like people saying "Mobb Deep" is real hiphop but they are talking about the same types of things, drugs, guns, violence in thier raps and no one was calling them "gangster rap". Wu tang was talking about schit like that and no one was calling it gangster rap, Biggie was talking about the exact same thing, and no one called his music gangster rap. Big L was talking about that too, but I don't recall him being labeled "gangster rap". But all those guys are considered "MCs". Whether I relate to it or not, dope music is dope music and I'll bump anything from The Eastsiders, to Portishead, to Marvin Gaye, to the Beastie Boys, Heiroglyphics, Ralfi Pagan, Madonna, EWF, Soft Cell, etc, because sometimes what they are talking about is irrelevant, I'm listening for the actual music.

Boogie Man wrote:Its like people saying "Mobb Deep" is real hiphop but they are talking about the same types of things, drugs, guns, violence in thier raps and no one was calling them "gangster rap". Wu tang was talking about schit like that and no one was calling it gangster rap, Biggie was talking about the exact same thing, and no one called his music gangster rap. Big L was talking about that too, but I don't recall him being labeled "gangster rap". But all those guys are considered "MCs".

Good point. The lines are blurry, it's not so black and white.

Yes, I know they are RAPPING, and I know that rapping is 'rap', and I know rap is a form of hip-hop. Didn't I say they are not what I consider to be hip-hop? Because, as I also said, my definition of things will be differant from others. To me thats not hip-hop, because to me the word hip-hop embodies the exact opposite of 'gangstah rap'... and all this bling shit. I remember hip-hop used to be about show-casing skills, knowledge, and whit... "hip-hop" to me, means something different.
And I have no issues with people talking about how they sold crack, and how they did this and that -- but 99% of the rappers out there who rap about it didn't live it -- it's just a mask they use to help sell. EVERYONE talks about how they killed someone, or how they grew up in the wild hood, or how they had to sell crack to live.

So to end this - to YOU the cosmetic gangstah rap is hip-hop, to me it is not.

So someone has to sell rock before they can rap?

There are other forms of gangs, What about a CD bootlegging operation, or a porn ring? ;)

Or lying on a song.....

^ hehe..... iight y'all well i'm on my way to hit the block, shoot some ma'fuQers for they chains, slang some cane, you know the same ol'e thang...

BRAVO wrote:

FIRST THIS GUY IS THE GURU BEHIND JAY-Z RAPS AND BEATS

Are you crazy???? Kanye is tight production wise but he aint got no patterns. Ghost? Compared to Jigga he should remain just that. I have to disagree with you there. He aint writing nada for Jay. More to the point, Jay dont even write (Those that know, know what im talking about)

nah JAY dont write, he writes mentally and spits it off the dome!