Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By elmacaco Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:31 pm
Robin Guthrie from the Cocteau Twins, never heard their music but i've heard of them before.

"What Equipment did you take with you to Frace when you did Milk and Kisses?
RG: I think it was one or two ADATs, and a little Mackie Desk. There was no software Sequencing at the time, it was all hardware and I was using an MPC 60 MKII - that was all the drums and sequenced stuff like that.

No Live Drums?

RG: they were all sequenced. I could play all the beats, but I was never, ever a good enough drummer in a million years to play on record. I programmed them like that because I can visualize sitting behind the drum kit and playng them with my hands. That's how it developed, anyway. In the mid-eighties, it was an infinite hi hat which could carry on like a three-handed drummer. I wanted to emulate the sound of a drummer - I didn;t want to take the thing into electronica with eclectic sounds, and live we were using a real drummer. I wanted to retain a consistent feel."

The album was released in 1996 and I'm checking out snippets here.

http://www.mp3.com/albums/183953/summary.html

Not really my taste but i'm trying to see if I can hear the 60ness in it.

:lol:

By peezie Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:38 pm
Surprised they used the 60. I have a couple of their albums and their music isnt percussive at all. Good sampling source tho.

By elmacaco Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:45 pm
yeah it just sounds like regular pop drumming, one some of the clips you can hear the kick has the 60 roundness to it, but it's hard with all the guitar and vocal reverb over everything.

By 2wice Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:51 pm
I listened to some clips too and it sounds like a real drummer. I guess it just depends on what you sample into it, cause it can sound like real kit sometimes.

By elmacaco Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:54 pm
that and how you sequence. That was one of the things that it was designed for. the factory kits are pretty good for it even. they come all panned out and everything.

You can get some good real drummer feel out of it, i've done it a few times but most of the time i'm after more of a drum machine sound. infinite hats n shyt :lol:

By ownlife Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:49 am
you guys are on rocks. they definitley sound like they used a drum machine, i was actually pretty sure they had an MPC60 on their track "lorelei", but that came out long before the mpc60. either which way, great band!
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By itchyvinyl Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:18 am
Cocteau Twins are one of my all time favorite bands.

Some of you might be more familiar with the singer, Elizabeth Frazier's work on the Massive Attack album 'Mezzanine.'

As far as their drum programming, I like their album Treasure. Every song uses those big crunchy drum samples from the E-Mu library.
Very Art Of Noise-ish.

By elmacaco Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:36 am
Me being on rocks is besides the point :lol:

He only said a 60 for that album, which doesn't sound overtly drum machine at all from the clips. I am unfamiliar with their other work to say anything about their use of drum machines.

on this milk and kisses it is pretty percussion lite. no obvious samples, and it was played by a real drummer live, so...
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By DSTRUCT Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:19 pm
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By elmacaco Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:32 pm
yeah it's a dope mag for real.

By fobedafied Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:10 pm
nah,

it aint got 100 ads for clothing and sneakers in it every issue, what were they thinking? :twisted:

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These cats are serious about playing with sound. I always suggest it as good stuff to read, but if you are a hiphop person, you've gotta read between the lines and understand that you really wanna learn about two things:

1. Music
2. Sound.

...and that kinda information can come from anywhere and anyone.

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Peace.
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By binger0 Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:42 am
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By DSTRUCT Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:47 pm
i love this mag, theres alot of valuable info.




did yall read the les paul interview in this new issue? its a great read

By elmacaco Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:35 am
yeah man, Les Paul is an amazing dude.

No schooling and he invented the electric guitar, multitrack tape, and all sorts of studio standards that we use today (close micing etc.)

Look up other interviews online Dstruction, there's so many cool stories out there of getting tape from the nazi's.