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dont waste your money on thease kits about eq and shit. im in my second year of one of the best recording schools in north america, if you got any qustions about shit. i would be glad to answear them



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Endevour wrote:dont waste your money on thease kits about eq and ****. im in my second year of one of the best recording schools in north america, if you got any qustions about ****. i would be glad to answear them



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i got an old room i just cleaned out in my backyard, and its nothing but a concrete enclosure with one side being solid concrete and the other side being to windows that strectch from one end of the wall to the other....now what would you recommend i should do to lessen the reverb or echo in the room? i dunno nothing about acoustics so...yea....the diagram is below.
what kind of echo/reverb damping shit should i use? old blankets? my bomber jacket? any suggestions? ohh its an old nuclear/earthquake/bomb shelter only about 15 ft in the ground.....


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||----------^------------------------------------^ ------------||
+------[Window]----------------------------[Window]----------+
+<--------------------- Window------------------------------->+
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||---------------The Rest is solid concrete---------------------||
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solah wrote:

Endevour wrote:dont waste your money on thease kits about eq and ****. im in my second year of one of the best recording schools in north america, if you got any qustions about ****. i would be glad to answear them



The
Delegate

i got an old room i just cleaned out in my backyard, and its nothing but a concrete enclosure with one side being solid concrete and the other side being to windows that strectch from one end of the wall to the other....now what would you recommend i should do to lessen the reverb or echo in the room? i dunno nothing about acoustics so...yea....the diagram is below.
what kind of echo/reverb damping **** should i use? old blankets? my bomber jacket? any suggestions? ohh its an old nuclear/earthquake/bomb shelter only about 15 ft in the ground.....


+++++++++++++++++----+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
||----------^------------------------------------^ ------------||
+------[Window]----------------------------[Window]----------+
+<--------------------- Window------------------------------->+
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||---------------The Rest is solid concrete---------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
||------------------------------------------------Door-------->D
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
=================================================

try reading up on this. this is one of the best brands of acoustics

http://www.auralex.com/

That diagram u drew is sick. LOL

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solah wrote:

Endevour wrote:dont waste your money on thease kits about eq and ****. im in my second year of one of the best recording schools in north america, if you got any qustions about ****. i would be glad to answear them
The
Delegate

i got an old room i just cleaned out in my backyard, and its nothing but a concrete enclosure with one side being solid concrete and the other side being to windows that strectch from one end of the wall to the other....now what would you recommend i should do to lessen the reverb or echo in the room? i dunno nothing about acoustics so...yea....the diagram is below.
what kind of echo/reverb damping **** should i use? old blankets? my bomber jacket? any suggestions? ohh its an old nuclear/earthquake/bomb shelter only about 15 ft in the ground.....

+++++++++++++++++----+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
||----------^------------------------------------^ ------------||
+------[Window]----------------------------[Window]----------+
+<--------------------- Window------------------------------->+
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||---------------The Rest is solid concrete---------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------||
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
||------------------------------------------------Door-------->D
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
||-------------------------------------------------------------D
=================================================

try reading up on this. this is one of the best brands of acoustics

http://www.auralex.com/

or you can read this:acoustics101

yo man i have a chronic eq problem it seems that when im mastering my tracks in sonar 5 my combine wav sound is way too loud and starts clipping now i tried the obvious turn the shit down but if i do that when the track is put on a cd u have to turn it up louder than a regular cd do i need to use compression or could it be something im doing the whole thing is my track just dont sound loud enough

thanks for the info peeps, is there a way to has similar effects without all those absorbtion, damping, foam? just temp ya know. im not being cheap, im just trying to save money becuase i am about to buy a car. and i neeed a room to make beats in. i havnt tried. but imma put some big blanket comforters on the walls and see if they works. imma try alot of shit and see what happens, but any suggestions?

Jacpot wrote:That diagram u drew is sick. LOL

i feel like i'm there..........

So they taught you how to use a search engine?

Endevour wrote: im in my second year of one of the best recording schools in north america, if you got any qustions about ****. i would be glad to answear them

solah wrote:thanks for the info peeps, is there a way to has similar effects without all those absorbtion, damping, foam? just temp ya know. im not being cheap, im just trying to save money becuase i am about to buy a car. and i neeed a room to make beats in. i havnt tried. but imma put some big blanket comforters on the walls and see if they works. imma try alot of **** and see what happens, but any suggestions?

try to get those moving blankets, the heavy set ones. hang them an inch or two off the wall(from the ceiling...), that way the sound travels through the blanket hits the wall and has to travel through again. more stylishly you get scraps of wood(dumpster doors, dressers, planks...) wrap the shit out of them with 'nice' blankets/comforters/fabrics that can be had at the salvation army... hang them with chains/ropes/hooks like so.


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solah wrote:thanks for the info peeps, is there a way to has similar effects without all those absorbtion, damping, foam? just temp ya know. im not being cheap, im just trying to save money becuase i am about to buy a car. and i neeed a room to make beats in. i havnt tried. but imma put some big blanket comforters on the walls and see if they works. imma try alot of **** and see what happens, but any suggestions?

703 fiberglass for low & broadband absorption is the best solution. Good luck.

the problem with most of thease ideas is, one your gona have bass traps in every corner, and your gona have standing waves off every wall creating a huge mess.accustic foam wil save you a bit , the key to a good studio is no parrel walls and a well tested room.obviously your not going for the next hit factory so i dout youll need floating walls.if i where you i would goto a bed store or like a home depot where you can get foam cut and cover up all your walls and then buy accustic bass trap panels and stick them in every corner, and then i would buy 3 larg accustiv panels and postion at lease 4 feet above the ground on the 2 main parel walls .its a lot more completed then just throwing up blankets every where, yah it will make the room more quite, but it will re act unnaturaly and sound muffled and if you just throw up blankets every where. then i would check your freq respone on your monitors and your mic.then i would pump white noise (equal amplitude accross the freq spectrum )you can probally find it on a download site. and then use a db meter and level everything out at around 85 db. and if your using a mic you wana take into account the freq response of the mic and factore that into the situation.you can also use pink noise to if you want a perfect sounding room (equal amplitude of all freqs with a drop of 3 db near the end)cuase thats how we hear, so if you dont go by that , everythings gona kinda sound a little chessy.The point of this is to get your room tuned. you can always just throw shit up and then go in and there and be like wow it sounds quite in here now. but in the end if you have the right room and you mix things, when you bring them to other sources there gona sound differnt .To some degree its goinga little over board but if you want a good sounding mix your equipment and your room should be calibrated.and as for the windows the onlything i can sugest is that you pad them obviously, usualy ina real studio theyll have all the windows if they have any windows on an angle cuase then the sound will bounce to the ground.if you really wana do some work try making your roof ona slent and will help direct the sound of your monitors letting all the freqs go off where there suppused to

solah wrote:thanks for the info peeps, is there a way to has similar effects without all those absorbtion, damping, foam? just temp ya know. im not being cheap, im just trying to save money becuase i am about to buy a car. and i neeed a room to make beats in. i havnt tried. but imma put some big blanket comforters on the walls and see if they works. imma try alot of **** and see what happens, but any suggestions?

The Auralex stuff is pretty pricy, we used it in a couple of studios we built (you can check 1 out at http://www.evrecords.net under the studio section if you want to see pics) Prob run you at least a $1000 to do it right with auralex. IMO the best bang for the buck are sound blankets. You can find them at http://www.fullcompass.com along with lots of other great deals on just about anything studio related. The blankets are simlar to moving blankets like brownbagit mentioned. They do a decent job for mid to high frequency absorbtion. You wanna focus most of your absorbtion on the ceiling and walls approx halfway between you and the speakers to catch the earliest reflections. On your back wall ideally you waould have some sort of diffusion instead of absorbtion, which means a random, hard, eneven surface so that the sound hits it and gets reflected in all directions instead of a slapback echo comin straight back to you. You can buy diffusors from Auralex (I think theirs are called T-Fusors), or you can try some creativity. I've heard of people getting diffusion with a big bookcase and a bunch of different sized books to make an uneven surface. But basically any way you can make the back wall lumpy or eneven will help. For low frequency control, the Owens Corning 703 insulation that Boomspot mention works well. You will want to focus this in the corners of the room to absorb the standing waves that get trapped there. Ok, sorry for the lenth of this post but i wanted to alt least cover those 3 concerns.

its has nothing to do with the eq, it has to do with your levels , whenever i mix a song theres always tons of shit that peaks.and when shit peaks everything sounds like crap. in mastering your 2 best tools are compression and eq , with the compression you can control the dynamic rang of the instrument, problem is most people out there dont use it right

compresser : an amplifer with gradually reducess output relative to input over a user defined thresold. makes louder parts seem quiter and quiter parts seem louder. now a days everything is compressed and limited to shit. the probal when using a compression ona peaking instrument is , it gradually reduce out put so you have to set the thresold perfect or it wont turn it down fast of anuf and you dont wana use a crazy ratio ether.i usually use a ratio of 4:1 or some times a 6:1 , anything 10:1 and up is a considered a limiter. 2 sounds you have worry about the most are snare drums and kick drums, 90% of the time i also compress my snare cuase it will always peak.so in your situation i would load your beat or song into protools then watch the leves and compress accordingly and then if it sounds to quite use your make up gain.theres a formual somthing like if you use -10 db thresold and your ration is 4:1 you would 6 db of make up gain.then that would bring all your audiable leves back up and everything would sound right.Another way you get all your loudness back is thru mastering,in protools i use eq si imager dithering , cuase its digtal obviously and a altramaximizer witch basically makes things louder with out it peaking.you would set your limiter so it stop everything just before peaking and then you would imager to increase your sound feild "make it sound wider or tigher and then the dithering adds a small amount of high free white noise to prepair the ad da converter to convert the audio, witch basically just starts the convertor converting shit into binary code before you actually do the reall deal,dithering is just the digtals worlds verison of a bias amp aka tape sex

so they tought me how to use a search engine , why the **** would i use a search engine your idiot. you can find alot shit on the net about recording , but theres a huge chunk you will never learn from books and the internet. i used to read shit on the net everythign i own a tons of recording books and even after all that my first month in school i was blown away by all the shit they teach me