I'm challenged to match drums up to time correction w/ loop

Here is the deal. I timestretch a sample to fit what I want it to sound like and the tempo I want it to loop at. It loops perfect however when I time correct the notes... they aren't in line because the sample drags a little, is too slow or too fast for the drums. HOw do you get around this? Do you just have to just not apply time correct and tap til the drums sound right?

Well one thing u can do is, if your drums quantise to fast...add 60% swing later on your drums and set the amount to 2. That will push your drums back a tick theirfore and everything should be good to go.

if your drums quantise to slow than use the same principle expect swing earlier at 60% amount 2. Play around with the amounts son

chop each sample note by note, and then recreate the initial melody. timestretch it or just speed up the bpm by a couple tenths to let em overlap, then set your mute groups.

not only will this solve any timing issues, you can also apply swing to the sample if you want - and you have a bunch of different notes in case you want to make a patchwork melody

That works

Antonym wrote:chop each sample note by note, and then recreate the initial melody. timestretch it or just speed up the bpm by a couple tenths to let em overlap, then set your mute groups.

not only will this solve any timing issues, you can also apply swing to the sample if you want - and you have a bunch of different notes in case you want to make a patchwork melody

Ok... some follow ons

1) What are mute groups?
2) Won't speeding up the BPM's make the loop not loop right?

What are mute groups?

reading your manual would tell you that fastestm, but i give a small explanation in the next answer

Won't speeding up the BPM's make the loop not loop right?

this one i'll explain. ok. say you have a phrase sample, unchopped. in my first diagram, it is appropriately set so that it lasts all 4 bars in a 120 bpm sequence.

-------------- (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 120 bpm)

now, pretend you slow the tempo to 100. the single phrase file will now play longer than your 8 bars because it is now off the tempo of your sequencer. since its starting point is at 1.1.00, it will continue past the 8 bars.

------------------------- (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 100 bpm)


however, if you chop eat note into its own file and program it into a track like this:

---|---|---|--- (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 120 bpm)

now you have the freedom to speed up the tempo without cutting yourself off. since each note starts on its own reference point, they will play at the time you tell them to regardless of the original file. speeding up the tempo would make them overlap as they placed, each one in turn, like this

|->|->|->|->| (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 120 bpm)

setting your mute groups causes each new sample to cut off the one previously played. this will get rid of the notes' overlappings, if you want to. you can reasonable increase the tempo a good deal, or even change the pitch of the samples within reason.

i think this process is called patch phrasing? who knows, i do it constantly though.

Antonym wrote:

What are mute groups?

reading your manual would tell you that fastestm, but i give a small explanation in the next answer

Won't speeding up the BPM's make the loop not loop right?

this one i'll explain. ok. say you have a phrase sample, unchopped. in my first diagram, it is appropriately set so that it lasts all 4 bars in a 120 bpm sequence.

-------------- (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 120 bpm)

now, pretend you slow the tempo to 100. the single phrase file will now play longer than your 8 bars because it is now off the tempo of your sequencer. since its starting point is at 1.1.00, it will continue past the 8 bars.

------------------------- (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 100 bpm)


however, if you chop eat note into its own file and program it into a track like this:

---|---|---|--- (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 120 bpm)

now you have the freedom to speed up the tempo without cutting yourself off. since each note starts on its own reference point, they will play at the time you tell them to regardless of the original file. speeding up the tempo would make them overlap as they placed, each one in turn, like this

|->|->|->|->| (sample)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (8 bars at 120 bpm)

setting your mute groups causes each new sample to cut off the one previously played. this will get rid of the notes' overlappings, if you want to. you can reasonable increase the tempo a good deal, or even change the pitch of the samples within reason.

i think this process is called patch phrasing? who knows, i do it constantly though.

CRYSTAL CLEAR explanation. Thank you so much man. I have the MPC 2500 so patch phrasing (you are right to call it that) is an inherent feature to work with. Mute groups was news to me but I looked in the manual and there it was. You just tightened up my production. Again thanks.

no problem kid, glad i could have been of service. yeah, when i figured this out it helped me SOO much. erally boosted my abilities as a producer, and just opened the door to so many tricks.

i use an mpc1000, so the process takes longer (recycling everything and blueboxing the pgm from akp - gotta love them workarounds) but the end results are fantastic. the new os has patch phrasing too, so damn...can't wait.

good luck man and happy chopping