D.I.T.C. Forever?

is it like how they cannot produce extremely nice quality tube condensor mics because they ran out of old-stock vacuum tubes?

Word..I love vinyl...if I ever get my ish out and have the $$ to do vinyl, its on like a muh-ffff

i feel what your sayin ,
i heard the beasties new album yesterday for the first time , they are the only original hiphop group left, and i was dissapointed in there album ,it is all synthized , mike only has a few seconds of scratchin on one song. wow!

anyways yeah we need to get rid of these money hungry record exec,

that why you must go indie,

college radio has many good up comin bannds that are talented but they aslo have the same amount of non talented , the jazz station they goot some real talent comin out too, you just dont hear it in prime time, you have to listen late nite.

i agree we need more talent artist/musicians , but how ? if our so called teachin institutions are removing music cousres from there agenda's thats BULLSH!T if you ask me.

i think we just need to stay away from corprate crAp.

theres a song by newcleus called push the button , i have loved that song since the first time i heard way back when i was a kid, because of the sh!t they are talkin about in there, if you listen to it now,it is right on point and this song was made like 20 something years ago, yeah computers have changed everything in this world and it's a shame cuase this is going to do in the human race as we know it, soon.

First of all, they didn;t run out of silicon, silicon is sand dude, that shyt's never running out.

THe chips they used were made by Emu, the reissue used chips they still had left over until a later run, where they actually replaced the chips with a circuit that emulated the SSM filter chip, so they could still make them like that, but word is the circuit isn;t the same as the chip, and the chip is a lot of legendary gear too.

The old vacuum tube mics were made by an industry that was concerned with making the best possible microphones, not something that they could sell for a profit, just the best, so they threw a bunch of money at it and you got unbelievable quality cuz at the time it was like nasa or lockheed, money is no object type of design. the more to the present you get the less of that you see, except for specific narrow places.

you know, i got this digital cable and I have to reboot it like 6 times a year, the shyt sometimes freezes, and it'll glitch out the picture every once in a while. some progress. They give more features but less quality.

I was referrring to how Telefunkin was reissuing tube mics with the old style vacuum tubes, but they ran out of them and the vacuum tubes today just aren't even close to the vintage 60s ones. But you're right...the money wasnt an issue back then like it is now.

Oh right, I didn;t know about that. The older tubes we being made for military applications, so you know they had the business and the need to make them as good as possible. Money was an issue then, it's just that it was Governments footing the bill for the mics, and they wanted the best possible sound, so they paid the guys to try all sorts of things, that's how you got gold sputtering etc. they used whatever the best material or tool for the job was, not something that just did the job or was economical.

you are exactly right...military quality

Yeah, who was it that recently used hitler's old mic?

early Neuman stuff.

Don't know for sure..
We got a lot of stuff from the Nazi's..good mics, analog tape...shhh

i'm sayin, with money as the bottom line for everything we can expect everything in the future to go down in quality, including music - life itself.

analog gear can be problematic, but i honestly feel that it's the best medium for the recording of music. they keep upping the bitrates on digital recordings, from 96kbps to 128, 160, 441, 525, 560 i even have a file at 1411kbps and all the ish does is hurt my ears. you don't need to hear the instruments more clear than you would if you were sitting at the lounge listening to jazz cats play the ish.

and there is a definite loss of bass on cds compared to vinyl. i'm sayin why do they have to keep uppin the bitrate? does it have to do with compression so as a company it's more cost-effective to compress audio files ?

on top of that we listen to a lot of our ish on ipods and walkmans and those ear phones flowers up your hearing

this all boils down to money


XANDRE

word, money is the root of all evil.

dj e.d.e wrote:i heard the beasties new album yesterday for the first time , they are the only original hiphop group left

wow. thats a pretty bold statement, maybe i'm takin it outta context...maybe i'm takin this whole thread outta context, cause i still hear a lot of good music, especially considering the fact that there is soooo much rubbish out there.

if you're just talkin about whats on the radio, though, the options become much more limited.

granted, the technology has changed, and so has the industry. money is evil, blah, blah blah. that does not excuse the fact that people are just making sh!te music.
i, for one, love technology, and without the evolution of said technology, we would not be doin what we love today. i think the linndrumm hit the market like at $25k. no way there would be such a thing as a bedroom producer if the machines we love had not become outdated.
i love the vintage analogue sound, and i'm glad that there are others seeking it out in the form of both gear and in wax...but i'm also glad that there are digital counterparts out there as well, for the convenience, price and the fact that there will be a variety of sounds out there. no one wants everyone to sound the same. plus nowadays, the sounds ultimately gonna become digital anyways, but if you're sampling from vinyl, you're still diggin'.


.dope.

oh yeah as far as when i started the thread i was thinking strictly in a commercial context, like let's look at what's on the radio

there's always good music out there but it's important that is seems that only the most un-interesting music gets played

dope, do you feel one could argue that sh!t music is a direct byproduct of pressure to make money, thus even talented producers are forced to make watered down music in order to put food on the table.

so there is an organized industry behind that that makes it work it that way, what i wanna know is is it for a reason or is it just the nature of business?

in just Hip-Hop, i have always argued that it could be partly for a reason because the government got afraid of it's polictical potential

notice how in the 60's and early 70's there was a lot going on that got reflected in music, well as a modern producer it's getting harder and harder to find an outlet for real Hip-Hop music, it is relegated to late night mix shows or obscure radio stations, the college crowd and indie labels.

therefor the masses are not involved and you get this elitist white consumer base as your only listeners while everyone else is tuned into Hot 97 or bumping young jeezy (and jeezy do what he do it's just an example) but CRACK MUZIK and CLUB JOINTS is hardly the complete picture. so it appears to me that the media, which is owned by the government, is trying to silence many while highlighting only a few, at their own gain. that few becomes the face of Hip-Hop and that ain't right esp. since sayin i killed this nigg a and buy this buy that only fuels a system of oppression


XANDRE

I agree with EDE. The last beasties album did suck, they sounded like what they were, peope using reason for the first time. hello nasty was much better, the computer thing really didnt work for them, and they really didn't seem to have anything to say that would connect with anybody. It wasn't because of the technology, but the technology was used as a short cut and got em lazy I guess.
I am thankful for new technology, but most of the reason people like it is because it's cheap, not because it sounds good. Cracked software wins a lot of fans, but to get your computer set up to sound nearly as good as analog tape at it's best you gotta spend about the same amount of money. I got a mic for $5 years ago, maybe that wasn't possible in the 80's, but it's that the cheap range of gear got bigger, not that the good stuff became more accessible to those with less funds.

technology has abig part as well i think in the death of music , cause they keepmakin these new products and theold gets outdated, then everybody and there grandma what to be dj producer musician and what not,

i may sound likea bullsh!tter but i think i could have done with out an mpc, i tink the rest of the world could have done with out all technology too. we would probally have beeter musicians and better music less nontalent mafuccers on the radio for one,
and there would probally be better producers and studio's around, not to mention the fact of the vinyl pressing enigneer,which there are very few left, you can probally count them on one hand.

Oh to bring up an interesting point..
I don't think we will run out of records, there were something like...20 billion made from 1920-1931 alone...think of how many were made from 1960-1983...damn...
It just means we are gonna have to dig harder. There are meccas in the midwest that haven't been touched, I can vouche for that. I'm from a semi-big city in the midwest and 45 minutes outside of the city in white-trashville there was a gold mine...
Donald Byrd Carictaures(sp)
Noel Pointer
Bob James Promo Lucky Seven(not the tappan zee version)
all for a buck, those are the only ones I can remember right now but I found crazy good records from this cat with a mustache and a feathered mullet. Sad part is they shut that flea market down....
But world-wide diggin is gonna have to be a solution, places where hiphop isn't all that big...its out there...