Serato....

Bezo wrote:Everyone's line is drawn in a different place. And that line is not always the same for all areas of hip hop. There are DJs that swear by vinyl but use samplers to make beats. If you really want to keep hip hop at its essence, create music with just turntables, records and a mic.

Personally, spinning records is too fun to give up, but I don't spin professionally much. Just an ocassional cookout or house party. For those doing gigs every weekend, I can understand going digital for the convenience. I just can't see the fun in it.

bezo, samlers have been a part of hiphop since it's preteen yrs,i feel what you sayin about using the turns as a instrument,i'm for that all the way, i love to see cats doin that , these last ten years that has really taken off ,ukno?. we have the skratchpiklz to thank for that , but i think your talkin about two different things as i recall when they did live partys they rock'd two turntables and in the studio they had the dj lay the scratches down, so when it came out on vinyl you heard the dj open the first verse with the scratch, samplers back then where not reachable by all,only few, and now adays everyone and ther grandma has a sampler.

using a sampler to make beats, i dont see nothing wrong with thatespecially if you a dj.
run-dmc and JMJ(rip) were a prefect example of this technique. they sampled a beat and jay would rock the scratch over it, thats what it's about , cats like flash back in the days didnt really have this technology, because they were the first to bustout hiphop in it's rawest form they open the doors to let run-dmc oprn the doors to new avenues.
for a time there the dj was forgotten in the music , which to me was when i felt hiphop had taken a downfall, because it had lost one of it elements.
i think that was due to hammer and easy e hammer with the chick in his video's and popularizin hiphop in commercials. and easy e because of gansta rap and cars which brings use to where music is today, but the dj started to make comeback in the underground,

to me if your not representing the four elements then you aint doin nothing to help hiphop, i've lived three elements writinggraf, bboyin, and djin , i cant rap i prolly never will but if i can make music to bring that element in then i think i can say i lived all 4.

people ´round here gotta respect e.d.e., although this is the internet with all that aliases and anonymous shit and not knowin´ each other well, but what you, e.d.e., write, that ain´t no bullish, i can feel it´s coming straight from your heart. keep it on and the vinyl spinnin´!

i think the only thing i would use such a program for would be to scratch my own tracks/samples...i´m too lazy to copy all my vinyl onto the pc and convert´em...and also i´m not very fond of illegally downloading or burning cd´s, i want the real stuff and support artists. and for the money a good laptop and an mp3 software cost, i can get a lot of records and ish.

bene, i dont use a alias, thats my real name my alias is eddie, and you pronounce my name E. DEE .E

i just feel people sure here the truth about this culture and i think i've lived it long enuff to teach from what i have experinced and have read about from books and documentry's and interviews with the pioneers and talkin to pioneers like BAM ,HERC,RUN DMC JMJ, SUGARHILL.

i just nevrleftheolskool is all.

thanks for the props kid

djobserv wrote:i really dont like the idea of serato and final scratch, their dope programs, but it takes the soul out of being a dj, everything is simplified, i mean dang its one thing to have all the wax and breaking your back taking it to a gig, then taking a bag with your laptop and two records, i dont feel how people can attain songs that you may have been looking for years and payed top money for, i guess its just me being the vinyl addict

I don't see how this makes djing easier. I have been a dj for 8+ years and my girlfriend (the "current" dj of the house) of 5+ years uses serato rane and loves it. I have used it a bunch and if you don't know how to dj and match beats then this will only save your back and not the crowds ears. You still need to mix and know how to do proper levels. This just makes it so you don't ever need to lug more than crate around and you never have that "I wish I brought that one jam" feeling.

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My girlfriend got it for me for christmas. I really like it. I don't see how it makes djing easier. I doesn't beat match for you, it doesn't mix for you. All it does is make all types of music available, stuff you can't get on vinyl. I play all types of music, and sometimes stuff I would like to play you can't get on wax. Now with this no more worries. Also, I still by cd's. If I buy the new roots album, on cd, why should I have to by all the singles on wax too.

On another board I frequent this same discussion came up and someone said to the effect, that in the early days of hip-hop the djs were always trying to be the first ones with the newest technology. For some reason now-a-days many people are afraid to take the step forward. If dj's in the dawn of hip-hop were afraid to step forward we would still be using the volume knobs to mix songs.

icupg wrote:My girlfriend got it for me for christmas. I really like it. I don't see how it makes djing easier. I doesn't beat match for you, it doesn't mix for you. All it does is make all types of music available, stuff you can't get on vinyl. I play all types of music, and sometimes stuff I would like to play you can't get on wax. Now with this no more worries. Also, I still by cd's. If I buy the new roots album, on cd, why should I have to by all the singles on wax too.

On another board I frequent this same discussion came up and someone said to the effect, that in the early days of hip-hop the djs were always trying to be the first ones with the newest technology. For some reason now-a-days many people are afraid to take the step forward. If dj's in the dawn of hip-hop were afraid to step forward we would still be using the volume knobs to mix songs.

i still do that it makes for an easier fade not as harsh acut on the freq.

anyways yeah they wanted to be first ones with the newest technology but that was to create a new mixer not the turntables records never changed why would they want to change the turntable rhey were scratchin, the mixer was the thing that need to be refreshed all the time due to fader wear from scratchin and the progression of the scratch, i think this thing is only good to play your own tracks , i have seen pioneers use stuff like this in there sets but if you listen carefully it's only to play a remix that they have done or a new track they are busting out that they did, but i have never heard them play classic vinyl piece's. IMO i think that's all this would be good for for me atleast , would be to play my new tracks and remixes because yeah it's probally cheaper then going out and buyin a pressed record of your work to play out , plus it takes so long to get that vinyl piece then just using the comp to run a file.