Who here can hear a sampled beat...

and if you know the sample, tell exactly what production techniques the producer used to get it to play that way?

Depends if I've heard the sample before and remember it well enough to know what they did...

SunnyCheeba wrote:and if you know the sample, tell exactly what production techniques the producer used to get it to play that way?

good question. i'm working on the bass sample of jaco pastorius El-P used in Cannibal Ox's "Cold Pigeon."

it's hard and yhou got to research your artist but you can come close.

my friend witness remade "through the wire" and made it sound similar.

I am a big fan of jaco, which track did ox sample?

SunnyCheeba wrote:and if you know the sample, tell exactly what production techniques the producer used to get it to play that way?

This is almost impossible. Unless the beat is a straight loop with no tweaking, the drum programming has no nuances, etc. And if that were the case, I doubt you would care what the producer did.

MaZe

i actually don't remember - i'm at home right now away from my studio at school, dont have access to the record. it was one i recorded from my school's library. great record, though - and great beat, too.

why would you waste time remaking "through the wire' or anyones beat for that matter?

make your own shizz.... I mean who's gonna give you props for recreating kanye?
DO YOU

ever heard of a cover song? or a guitarist/pianist playing from sheet music?

get a grip on yourself johnny...we DO make our own music, but we also study what we're up against.

sorry man, not tryin to ruffle feathers. But why?

pardon my ignorance but will you name a few hip hop cover songs, by that i mean a hip hop artist covering a song by another hip hop artist. No remixes, straight covers.

I personally can't think of any off the top of my head. In this particular genre, egos being the size they are, it's usually referred to as biting.

"practice" however you want, i'd prefer to spend my time working on original material. Not saying you're wrong and i'm right, just saying.....

haha yeah. for the most part i agree, i'd most definitely rather make my own beats too. i've never fully covered another song, too much work involved and no real product.

however, i have covered "what is love" soooo many times for comic appeal.

i covered a buck 65 song too once in live show. mostly covers are for live work. however, this guy witness who remade through the wire (neither of us even like kanye but we were trying to know the methods used) claimed to be exercising, flexing some muscles so he can tackle something...better, frankly.

"who's gonna give you props for recreating kanye?" <-- surely not me. however, what we found was that the beat is INCREDIBLY simple, showed an extremely POOR sampling ability (such a huge sample! wtf!?) and rediculously simple drums/progression/etc. it wasn't hard to replicate.

this was useful information to me.

i assure you neither witness nor myself spend anything more than one afternoon in a hundred recreating beats but the exercise is good. particularly in some cases when you have NO motivation, no inspiration, and no chemical methods of stimulating either. however, you want to make beats. so what do you do?

"what is love...baby don't hurt me..."

make 8 bars of a preexisting song, take a twenty minute break, and then come back. production block is gone!

as for naming some hip hop covers, you're right - they aren't really played. they never make it to cd or album - probably for good reason. that big ol' ego you were talking about. most definitely right on there.

however, there are some out there. i don't have access to my hard disk right now but there was one by sage of an old tribe called quest song, if i'm not sorely mistaken. mostly they're quiet little projects by people who just want to explore a style/fashion of production that is incredibly different from their own in an attempt to glean something they might have missed in their own persuit of an expression of individuality.

peace
nym

i can tell when a sample is used. Thats easy.

Figuring out what sample is pretty easy too. I just look in the booklet that came with the cd.

sometimes its done just for fun, as a tribute and because its sounds good..

why else?

interesting timing as i just posted this 90's re-issue straight from the 60..

if you dont recognize this sample shame on you...

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=370873#370873

Anyone know if that 36mafia joint i stay fly is a sample or is it all original cause it seems that i heard the original version of that chick singing

to antonym:

i've heard that sage joint, which he did live, with a band. Yes it was kind of a cover (he used the chorus only if i'm not mistaken). The original was a velvet underground sample from "walk on the wild side".

peace