Who here can hear a sampled beat...

cyrus wrote:Figuring out what sample is pretty easy too. I just look in the booklet that came with the cd.

What year is it?
I haven't seen liner notes in a minute. Liner notes were used when you didn't need sample clearance as long as you gave props to the original artist, as far as I've always been told. Do the mainstream cats save money on clearance costs by listing the artists they sample? I haven't seen a CD with a list of samples since, like '93, for real.

What CD's do you have that have 'em in there?

jonathan morris wrote:to antonym:

i've heard that sage joint, which he did live, with a band. Yes it was kind of a cover (he used the chorus only if i'm not mistaken). The original was a velvet underground sample from "walk on the wild side".

peace

Sage's Band is "Art Official Intelligence". They do alot of cover/semi-remixes. They do a remake of Bob Seger's "On the Road Again" that is a must hear.

J WALES wrote:Anyone know if that 36mafia joint i stay fly is a sample or is it all original cause it seems that i heard the original version of that chick singing

yeah most of the song is a sample with some other composed instruments here and there

M.ic P.ro C.rusher wrote:

cyrus wrote:Figuring out what sample is pretty easy too. I just look in the booklet that came with the cd.

What year is it?
I haven't seen liner notes in a minute. Liner notes were used when you didn't need sample clearance as long as you gave props to the original artist, as far as I've always been told. Do the mainstream cats save money on clearance costs by listing the artists they sample? I haven't seen a CD with a list of samples since, like '93, for real.

What CD's do you have that have 'em in there?

I was half sarcastic. But its in the production credits for each song. Read the little paragraphs that list the producer, lyrisist, publishing, sample credits for each track. Alot of times they dont list the specific artist, but they list the label, sometimes the song, and the producer of the original song- or whoever owns the rights to the sample they used. They might not straight up say "we used isaac hayes" because he doesnt own the rights to the sample song. You got to still sometimes use your detective skills. That is of course if they needed to clear the sample. If they are good and chop shit up, they might not list anything. In that case you have to use your ear.

jonathan morris wrote:why would you waste time remaking "through the wire' or anyones beat for that matter?

make your own shizz.... I mean who's gonna give you props for recreating kanye?
DO YOU

because there's no substitute when it comes to learning how to put a track together, to breaking your favorite tracks down and re-creating them

i understand that you are learning by doing this, but you can also learn by creating your own process.

Remake "through the wire" or whatever else is dope to you, if thats what helps you, cool. I was asking why. I know we are all different, but that idea just doesn't resonate with me. I mean, you know how to sample, so thats covered. You know how to lay a simple drum track over a long loop right? You can figure out the sequencing with little thought, so where in this process are you learning? How to make it sound just like Kanye did, whats the point? You can do all of these things with energy focused on your original idea. If you strive to make your music sound the best that it can, and are achieving it one step at a time, is that not learning?

i wish it was that simple, the way some of my favorite producers flip samples blows me away

just blaze, not really on of my favs, but damn try recreating some of his tracks good luck

I think imitating these artists is generally done by those who don't really know much about the beatmaking process, since there is really nothing revolutionary going on, but to the uninitiated it seems special, so they shoot for that even though it is a pretty low star to shoot for.

Creating your own process you will dioscover a lot more than what you tend to hear on the radio.

[quote="cyrus"]i can tell when a sample is used. Thats easy.

Figuring out what sample is pretty easy too. I just look in the booklet that came with the cd.[/quote]

jonathan morris wrote:sorry man, not tryin to ruffle feathers. But why?

pardon my ignorance but will you name a few hip hop cover songs, by that i mean a hip hop artist covering a song by another hip hop artist. No remixes, straight covers.

I personally can't think of any off the top of my head. In this particular genre, egos being the size they are, it's usually referred to as biting.

"practice" however you want, i'd prefer to spend my time working on original material. Not saying you're wrong and i'm right, just saying.....

straight hip hop covers seem to be really rare. maybe hip hop is too young for that. but some remakes of old school classics come to my mind:

mc lyte - top billin
any bad boy "artist" (can't remember the name) - children story
dey squad - rapper's delight

any more?

ps: i seem to be very bored

I can't think of any straight cover

J WALES wrote:Anyone know if that 36mafia joint i stay fly is a sample or is it all original cause it seems that i heard the original version of that chick singing

Its a dude, Willie Hutch "Tell Me Why Has Our Love Turned Cold"


I remade this beat its at http://www.soundclick.com/dstruct1on


the reason i did it was cause the original sample was posted on this site. I did it cause i like that beat and it was fun. Probably took like a half hour or so, and i was just chillin with my friends so i made it. Its not like im gonna rap over it at my next show or anything.