Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By average Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:47 pm
I've heard some tight beats on this site for real.
For everybody who samples, make sure you are keeping up with every sound you are sampling. Meaning, take the time to label the track on the Mpc with the title of the record and song number, or come up with some kind of system. I'm saying this, cause you never know when somebody might be feeling a track enough to buy it, and if you don't know, or remember where you got it from, you're basically fu#%ed, and can't use it. And yes, I'm speaking from experience!!!!!
Also, be weary of sampled sounds, you get from people, just don't use them. Ask where they got it from. Drum sounds are cool though. But like a loop, or tigh a** flute, or horn hit or something, and you know it didn't come from a keyboard, well just be careful.
If you plan on making a living from this music shi%, always make your beats with the thought that somebody may actually want to buy it. Meaning, The 1st time I walked into a big studio, to track my beats out, I was so confused and unprepared, for real. I didn't have anything labeled, I was going through all the tracks on the Mpc trying to find what tracks were being used and stuff like that. I couldn't find my kicks, snares, I was a damn mess. The engineer was looking at me like 'What the F#@K are you doing here. Hell of a learning experience. Now the engineer is like one of my best friends.
For those who don't have the 8 outs on your MPC, QUIT PLAYING! Get them bad boys. If you sell a track, you're going to need to track it out, and usually you'll have to use your own MPC. So quit buying them sacks, save that loot, and get those outs.
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By itchyvinyl Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:13 pm
Good, simple, valuable advice.
Thanks bro. Keep it coming.
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By beets Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:07 pm
I got my 8 outs :)

By average Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:11 pm
beets wrote:I got my 8 outs :)

Good shi%
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By DM0NEY Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:35 am
damn i need mine.where can i get 1 for cheap???

By bboy Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:03 am
Why exactly should we remember the source of our samples? Do you or anyone else have an idea of the sample clearance process?

"So quit buying them sacks"

my little sacks of inspiration... hell no
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By ess kode NZ Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:40 am
cheers for that advice average, i definately know what u are talkin about when labelling samples - problem is the MPC often does not have enough letter space in its labels to hold all the important info - lady's private parts!!

I got my 8 outs for FREE nigggorr! :lol:
churr
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By average Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:24 am
bboy wrote:Why exactly should we remember the source of our samples?
Cause if you actually ever plan on selling your beats and earning that publishing loot, a sample HAS to get cleared before it can be used. That's no joke.
So if you're sampling from records, movies, whatever, just try to come up with some method, any method that's simple for you so you can at least remember where you're getting them from.
For the comment about the mpc not having enough space to label everything. I feel that. So maybe just get a notebook and just jot down the name of the record, so that when it's time to sell that track and make that cheese, you know where to start looking for the source of the sample. Get into good habits NOW for labeling tracks, keeping up with sounds, and stuff like that, and you'll thank yourself later...Trust me.
And I got mine for free too nigggorr. :wink:
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By Mooney Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:12 pm
I just got my 8 outs from American Musical Supply. It was a factory re-sealed item(not in original packaging, but brand new). $199.95 free shipping.
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By young_keyz Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:34 pm
a easy way to keep track of a beat that has samples is buy a note book or use windows word or spread sheet and when ever you make a beat and you give it a name and it use samples just log it in the giving choices above all the details you need....kind of like what you would see on the credits of a real ablum....you never know what beat might get sold x amount years ago.
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By Phatz Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:12 am
Hey Bboy,
Here's an introduction to your second part of your question that got over looked.....

:arrow: If you use samples when writing or producing songs, one of the biggest favors you can do for your career is to understand the legal and business issues that surround the practice of sampling. The process of securing a sample for use in your own recording is fairly straightforward, but a legal minefield awaits you if you choose to skip any steps along the way.

First, I should define sampling and explain why it raises legal issues. Sampling is the technique of taking a small piece, or “sample,” of a preexisting piece of music and using the sample to create or enhance a different, new piece of music. Legal issues arise because the copyright law allows only the copyright holder of a work of art to make derivative works or changes in the original work. Sampling potentially violates the law regarding two separate copyrights, the copyright of the musical composition (the PA Copyright) and the copyright of the sound recording (SR Copyright). You need to obtain the permission of those copyright holders before using the original song or master. The process of getting that permission is known as clearing the sample.

LAYING A FOUNDATION
When clearing a sample, detail is crucial. Gather the following information for each sample you wish to clear and have it ready to present to the copyright holders: the name of the original composition, the artist who performs the master from which you obtained your sample, the record label of the master recording, the composer(s) of the composition, and the publishing company or companies of the composition. You will need to give the length of the sample you are contemplating using, defined in min:sec time as well as in number of measures (for example, “:30 seconds/16 bars of music”). Lastly, you must provide a description of the contemplated use of the song or master in your new recording defined in min:sec time, number of measures, and whether it will be looped or repeated (for example, “:15 seconds/four bars including the hook line from the original will be used in four separate choruses throughout the new version”).

Prepare a working copy of your new recording and have it ready to send to the copyright holders to show how you want to incorporate the original versions into your work. It is also a good idea to include a copy of the original recording. In this age of corporate mergers and acquisitions, you might be surprised at how many record companies and publishing companies have simply lost track of what is in their catalogs because they are so large.

CLEARANCE CORRESPONDING
With your information in place, you are now ready to contact the proper parties and begin clearing your samples. First, you must track down the addresses and phone numbers for the applicable record companies and publishing companies that own the copyrights for the original master recordings and songs. Record-label contact information can be obtained through a number of music industry directories, company Web pages, and, if all else fails, the phone book. Your detective work is a little easier for the musical compositions. Chances are the music publisher who owns the song you are trying to clear is affiliated with ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC in order to have its performance rights collected. All three of those performing rights organizations have Web sites with searchable databases that allow you to look up the contact information for their affiliated publishing companies.

Well before you start to manufacture your CDs, send a written request for permission to sample the song to the label or publishing company. If the record companies and publishing companies you're writing to have licensing departments, direct your correspondence there; otherwise, send it to the business and legal affairs department. Call to get the name of the person to whom you should address your request. Your request should contain all of the information you have gathered, noting how many initial units you plan to manufacture, what your contemplated release date is, and how you can be contacted. If you have a dollar figure in mind as an offer to pay for the sample, you can include it in your initial request. Most labels and publishing companies will not consider a request made over the telephone or by e-mail unless you have previously done business with them.

SAMPLING DEAL POINTS
Now that you have set the clearance process in motion, here are a few of the major points to negotiate in order to use the sampled material, all of which will be incorporated in a sample clearance contract signed by both parties.

Song ownership
Who will own the “new” work? Some labels and music publishers will let you use their preexisting works only if they own all or part of the copyright in the new recording or song.

Sharing the wealth
If there is shared copyright, what will the royalty splits be?

Compensation
How will the original copyright holders be compensated? Common payment options include paying a flat fee (for example, “$500 for all rights with no further payments or royalties”), a rolling fee that gets paid over time (for example, “$200 upon signing, $300 upon release by a major label, and $100 for every 100,000 units sold”), or an ongoing royalty (for example, “20 percent of the statutory mechanical license rate for every record sold”). That is all negotiable, and there are no standard rates for samples, so the actual figures vary widely.

Crediting the original
How will the original copyright holders, composers, and artists be credited on artwork, press, advertisements, and future uses of new work embodying the original material? It is important to properly credit the original material. If not done or if done improperly, your release could be stalled until the error is corrected. Sample credits generally include the original artists, writers, record labels, and publishers along with the names of the writers and publishing companies of the new master and composition. They should also include copyright ownership information for the new version of a master or composition. That information is vital when it comes to doling out royalties earned by a recording containing a master. These points are usually set out in great detail in the licensing agreement.

Extent of usage
Is the sample limited to only one recorded version of your song, or do your rights extend to uses such as remixes or live performances?

Setting things straight
Be sure to get a warranty that the label or publishing company actually has the authority to grant you the rights to sample and that the rights granted to you extend to future owners of the original material (for example, if the catalog gets sold to another publisher).

Accounting
You will need to agree on how often you render accountings and pay for royalty-based fees.

Based on a number of factors — such as how large your sample is, how much you use it, how crucial it is to your new piece, whether it was a big hit originally, and whether you have a large major-label budget or a small indie budget — the ultimate terms and conditions of sampling agreements are varied. If you are signed to a major label, a sizable portion of your recording budget might be set aside and held back by your label simply to pay for sample clearances.

SOME ALTERNATIVES
The time it takes to clear samples yourself could be prohibitive and keep you away from your creative pursuits, so you might want to consider some alternatives. First of all, some companies have created royalty-free recordings that have authentic-sounding period pieces of music available for sampling at no cost beyond the price of the CD. You can also go into a recording studio with the musicians of your choice and create your own original master recording to sample in order to avoid going through the clearance process with a record label. Note, however, that if you take the cover-song route for sampling, you still have to clear the use of the composition with the publishing company that owns the rights to the song.

You can also hire a third party to clear the samples for you. Sample clearance specialists will do all of the necessary work to secure the rights you need to clear your samples. Their fees vary from hourly to per song to project-based. Referrals to sample clearance companies can be obtained from record labels, your performing rights organizations, or — as always — your fellow musicians and producers in the business. (See the sidebar “Sample Clearance Services” for a few of those companies.)

DANGER, DANGER
I hear a few misunderstandings about sampling on a regular basis. I'd like to address those once and for all to warn you well in advance of having your CDs pulled off of shelves and your bank account frozen.

No freebies
“I sampled only six bars; I thought that as many as eight is free.” That is simply a record industry urban legend. There is no “free zone” when it comes to copying someone else's work. Keep in mind that a great hook in a song could be as short as one measure or even a couple of seconds. If it's identifiable, clear it.

Safety clearance
“I processed the sample so it no longer sounds like the original, so I don't have to clear it.” A good rule of thumb is this: if you didn't write it, you need to clear it.

Don't put off until tomorrow …
“I'm just a little guy. I'll take care of it after it goes Platinum; by then I'll have the money to do it.” If you follow the number of major stars who have had to pay off on uncleared sample uses, it should be obvious that waiting until a song is a hit can put you in the worst possible bargaining position to negotiate a sample use. It's better to make a good-faith effort to clear the sample up front, structuring payments based on an indie release and major releases, rather than putting it off completely.

CLEARED FOR LANDING
The art and business of sampling is here to stay, and the industry has adapted to it by shifting the responsibility of sample clearance to those who are doing the sampling. By using the tips and principles outlined here as a guideline, you can sidestep several possible problems that await you as you try to survive sampling.


Hope this helps us all,

Phatz
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By MistaMike4u Fri Jan 02, 2004 5:18 am
If I get the 8 outs, won't the soundcard have to have 8 ins to be able to track them all at the same time? Or for what it's worth, would it be better to track it track by track? Because I rarely come across a soundcard with 8 ins.... especially since any soundcard I get would have to be USB since my dumb ass is runnin everything off a PC LAPTOP!
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By Cheech Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:14 pm
Wow phatz, thanks for the advice.
A well constructed "article" like that helps you put things in pespective.
Great post.
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By Iceberg-Slim Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:32 pm
"If I get the 8 outs, won't the soundcard have to have 8 ins to be able to track them all at the same time?"


That or a simple 8 track cheap ass mixer with big faders

By misterv Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:13 pm
thanks for that post, Phatz Image