Kick track1, Snare track2 seperating tracks why?

NiBL wrote:I guess if you create boring drum loops that never change up, then the one-track method makes sense.

ok, here's the thing. this was my original post that jacpot is referring to: the topic to that thread was

Question: Moving multiple track events to their own trac authored by bassics. his question was

bassics wrote:Question: I have recorded some drums on teh fly, kick snare & hats...all to 1 track...a mate told me I can then move those kick,snr and hats to their own track [so I can bump out a seperated mix to PC for mixdown]

and my response was

sparq wrote:you don't have to do that because dealing with the 1k, each pad can be separated when you actually track out into the computer. some people (i used to be one of them) work that way... on the mpc, kick on track 1, snare on track 2, etc... but now i do all of my drums on 1 mpc track. then when i track out into my software, i just assign the pad with my kick to assignable out 1, snare to out 2, etc... i'll use different mpc tracks if i have samples or other instruments in my sequence.

so jac came in here and asked his question. his question wasn't a how to but more so asking opinions from you all just to see what you think.

so my response to this whole thread would be, what everyone is saying holds merrit in their own way. it's all according to how you feel comfortable in working. but like i said, me personally, i do all of my drums on one MPC track (kick,snare,hat) everything else would go on their own individual mpc track. as far as effects, with my drums, i wait until i track them into my DAW. i don't have to worry about track muting while tracking out because of the way i lay out my song on the mpc. i will have like 6 or 8 different seqs arranged in song mode. one of the seqs will have a snare muted for 1/2 bar or just the hats going or a seq with no drums just the sample playing. that way when i convert the song back to a seq everything is laid out the way i want it to be, i could also do further muting (record+erase) if i wanted. and as far as tracking (i have the 1k) i assign whatever pads i want to assignable outs 1,2,3,4 or main L/R and if i have more than 6 tracks, once i do a full record pass, then i come back and reassign the outs. it's nothing to do and it doesn't take that much time cause i'm used to it.

remember, there is no right/wrong way to do this. the way i stated, works for me. i just keep my drums on the same track cause i can lay them down faster and easier. remember, i also stated i used to do them on separate tracks so i know how it is.

M.ic P.ro C.rusher wrote:

NiBL wrote:I guess if you create boring drum loops that never change up, then the one-track method makes sense.

you can still do change ups on 1 track, just make a new seq then arrange them when you want them in song mode.

sparq wrote:

M.ic P.ro C.rusher wrote:

NiBL wrote:I guess if you create boring drum loops that never change up, then the one-track method makes sense.

you can still do change ups on 1 track, just make a new seq then arrange them when you want them in song mode.

Yeah, that's possible. But why take the time to do that? If you seperate your tracks in the first place, then all you have to do is mute during sequencing.

Because to me IMO, you (I) have even greater control and not have worry about what pad I have in a mute group. Besides by the time you setup a mute group, I would have had the neq done. It doesn't take me long to do that. Again, that's just me. What works for me may not work for others.

Because to me IMO, you (I) have even greater control and not have worry about what pad I have in a mute group. Besides by the time you setup a mute group, I would have had the seq done. It doesn't take me long to do that. Again, that's just me. What works for me may not work for others.

word sparq u know exactly what I mean man. THanks.....

how are you people seperating each sound to different tracks wtf?it seems like you would lose rhythm unless your shit is REAL simple

When i make a beat im using the snare and kick and hi hat at the same time mose of the time like a real drum kit.Do you guys really record the kick by itself and then change tracks to add snare and hat seperately?

The most ill have recorded on one track is usually 2-the kick and snare.Then ill have the hi hat on track 2 and the rest on the other tracks

You can record on one track then copy and paste later...

For example look at it like a TR808 or Redrum drum sequencer set the resolution to 1/16 which is like 16 pads on the bottom. Now inside of every Quarter note click of your metrodome you have 4 1/16 notes play as many midi notes in that time as you like. Hit track down do the next track and for the hi-hats change to a new resolution like 1/32 notes which is 6 1/32 notes inside a Quarter note and change it up. Add shift later for laid back feel or forward for an aggressive push to different tracks which add clarity to the sound. You can swing all or separate tracks and switch up the drum sounds too.

Simple fact in dance music all of the pioneers started on a drum synth machine with the XOX pattern sequencing before the sampling drum machines came out which is most than likely why various dj dance grooves still have that slightly mechancial feel and influence til this day. House, Hip hop, Techno, Drum and Bass, you named it all started like this.

Just some history and a bit on the techniques overall each individual works with the way which they are most comfortable with.

Every blue moon working with just a drum loop chopped up one track is find to blend with a groove.



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NiBL wrote:I guess if you create boring drum loops that never change up, then the one-track method makes sense.

i make beats that's in a constant change, and i only use 1 track
if i wanted to mute say a kick, i would just delete it where i wanted the mute

but i definately see there's good reasons to use different tracks too, i just dont need it anymore

NiBL wrote:

sparq wrote:

M.ic P.ro C.rusher wrote:

NiBL wrote:I guess if you create boring drum loops that never change up, then the one-track method makes sense.

you can still do change ups on 1 track, just make a new seq then arrange them when you want them in song mode.

Yeah, that's possible. But why take the time to do that? If you seperate your tracks in the first place, then all you have to do is mute during sequencing.

Dog do u even track your beats out So what every time u want to mute something while u track u do it real time? Why not just program it like everyone else? Loser

NiBL wrote:I would think the answer is obvious. In addition to what has already been mentioned about volumes and effects, the more simple answer is....how exactly would you do a break down if all your drum sounds are on what track? If you wanted to take out the hi hat for a few bars, how would you go about that if all your sounds were on one track? If you wanted to mute the kick during a quick breakdown, how would you do that if all your sounds are on one track? I always figured this method was a no-brainer. I guess if you create boring drum loops that never change up, then the one-track method makes sense.

Its actually quite simple to break down with all drums on 1 track...and there are several ways to do it - the simplest being just delete specific drums by hitting the erase key, selecting bars and then hitting the pads you want deleted during that time. I also never use song mode but rather create one long sequence by copying and pasting to the end. Typically, I will then erase the Hats and just play them from beginning to end for more variation. I often do the same with other drums too...Working is such a linear fashion just seems more natural than trying to string together individual sequences. The MPC makes it really easy to work with specific drums too - even when they are all on 1 track. This is not to say that I don't ocassionally break out an individual drum but it's rare. I do however, send the individual drums to a mixer via the 8 outs for FX and EQ outside the box. To suggest that artists who use only 1 track for drums create boring tracks may just mean you don't fully understand the capabilities of your MPC....BTW, it's easy to adjust volumes etc. even with all drums on one track. In the end (as many here have said) It's all about work flow and making your processes faster so you can concentrate on the music. I used to use song mode but once I beat the learning curve with copying groups of bars, I was able to create more quickly with none of the associated hassles of assembling sequences in song mode and then turning them back into a single sequence.....

i forgot to say that i DO you use more tracks some times when i want to give.. say a snare a longer tail by recording the same snare as a layer but with a longer attack time, i record on a separate track so i dont risk replacing the original..

my little 2 cents.... not worth much

the end result of making a beat in the mpc is to get that mpc beat to a multi-track recorder.

doesn't matter how you put the tracks(mpc) down in the mpc. because you can simply assign each sound(pad) to its own output.... this way you don't have to worry about track mute here or there or copy track one to track two.. or any of that...

Pick a sound(pad) ... asign it to an output, thats it!! no matter where that sound is in the mpc doesn't matter...that's what I do.
The MPC is the blueprint... the multi-track recorder( daw) whatever is the end result for mixing and mastering... that is where you want all the seperate tracks. I guess it doesn't matter either way.. just do it how you feel comfortable. *the reason I do it this way is TIME*
Good luck with however you do the dammn thang PEACE