Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By angus Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:53 pm
Anybody out there have any good resources for doing MAD drum edits? You know like those crazy ass stutttttttter.r.r.r.ing drums? Similar to squarepusher, or something like

www.bordercommunity.com --------- music-----james holden (at the bottom of the page) -------- a break in the clouds

seriously, this track has some of the tightest, sickest drum edits ever. I can't imagine as too how long this would have taken this guy.

Anybody out there have any insight as to how to go about doing these types of edits? I mean just using the f*****n pencil tool to do this would take f o r e v e r to do this type of thing. right on.

Angus
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By Antonym Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:17 pm
a disgustingly attentive focus on details....

take yourself a painpill, smoke some pot and get to work.

seriously, though - i've begun to get into this stuff as well and it takes a REALLY crazy mindset. no joke, you go nuts and enter some kind of zone where you can't hear or see anything else besides your weapon of choice...
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By erkl Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:47 pm
abelton live is good for this with its wav editing tools, record your drum loop, then chop it up and go nutz with abelton.. there is a local guy here that does that kinda stuff and his drums sound just like squarepusher...

im sure its still gonna be a time consuming process however

By angus Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:16 am
yeah, I kind of figured the response was going to be just putting your head down and working it out....It's just that I find drum editing so tedious. When all I want to do is RAWK! Personally, I really prefer making fat synth ZZZzzoooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnn's and creating nice synth patches and mixing and eq'n and all that sort of thing. I can make really nice chunky, movin, house beets like deep dish styles (at least my mom says their cool), but when it comes to really intricate edits & cuts, the ADD kicks in and I always end up s*****n' the bed. Poor work ethic I guess.

I was just wondering if any MPC super producers out there had any Cubase/Nuendo/MPC3k tricks up their sleeve as far as production of these types of beats goes that they'd be willing to share in order to keep the rawk a rollin on.

Also, on another note.....ERKL, are you the dude in the valley in BC that I offered to trade your FM7 for some weed last year? If so....HOLY. small world........aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh yes, the wild interweb. If not, then please disregard. Unless you have an FM7 you want to trade (for weed.)
Thanks for your time all,

Angus

By arctec Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:44 pm
and here is some more mad drum programming

www.myspace.com/cellartapes the first track gpattno52

(no mpc on that though)
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By psitech Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:04 pm
Göteborg ellerrrrr!!!!

that first track was nice, definately the coolest out of those three, i really like the bass... very clean sounding.

By arctec Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:14 pm
Goteborg ellller!!!!!!!

lol!!!

No idea where motorola is - I guess up north somewhere in the sticks... whereever it is, it must have an effect on your programming skills - nice stuff.

By sleepersriddle Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:48 pm
-big obvious tip:: turn the timing quantize up to 1/32 or 1/64.. slow the tempo way down and record a complex freestyle beat... then turn the tempo back up to play back

-dunno if you have the 1k or 2.5k, but use real-time sliders to make a 2nd pass and funk things up

-make use of layers to get variations on the same drum sound

-make use of velocity->start point for some weird stuttering

-delay is good with short delay times

-lay in fast 32rd or triplet rhythms with noterepeat, then make a 2nd pass with a filter or tuning sweep

By AlphaMale Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:18 pm
I don't feel like paying for whatever example mp3 you mentioned, but I think i have a rough grasp of the kind sound you're talking about. I certainly enjoy some stuttering snares with filtering FX and such, so here are some tips i can throw down. (just for clarity's sake, i'm rocking a 1000, but these should work for pretty much any MPC or sequencer)

Set up a few pads with your snare sample. Have one of them as a " one shot," another as a "note repeat," maybe even a pad with the one shot snare set as a mute target for the note one. (so the note on pad mutes the one shot) This way, you can play with the sample's duration in real time, in addition to creating stutter effects. Don't forget to set a pad or two to a slightly different pitch and throw that in there for flavor.

Here's a trick i used to love in Reason, but now that i have delay on my MPC, its getting used more often. Check it, normally you set up a delay to roughly match the tempo/ bars of your song and run it straight up like that. Here's what i do: say your songs in 4/4, set up your delay to match the same tempo, only in 3/4 [or even 5/4, if you're feeling Brubeck-ish] (check out lampdog's sig for BPM counters and such, they'll help with this) This way, your delays are in triplets. Now, normally this can irritate the ear when overused-- and here's how you get around that: copy your snare pad to a new pad, route this new pad to one of your alternate outputs and apply the delay only to this pad. Then, run that alt output into its own channel on your outboard mixer and unmute that mixer channel once in a while for a little wierd, off-time snare fill.

Also, get up on your LFO skills if you aren't already. A lot of the really cool FX you hear in the type of music we're refering to are done with simple filters and LFOs. If you can run them in real-time, so much the better, but again, running a few pads with different settings and switching between them live will give a similar result. The RANDOM setting on the 1000 is awesome for this type of thing; set the rate to something quick like .48 for 1/8th notes and just let thing go. Different performance every bar; people'll think you're a genius.

Finally, two words: Note Repeat. It'll change your life.

The great part about these tricks is that they all work best in real time. So rather than sitting down and driving yourself crazy with microedits, you can just bust the ridikalus-ness as a live performance, making it more intuitive, more interesting to watch at a show and, most importantly, more fun for you.

Hope this helps.

By AlphaMale Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:39 pm
@psi- Yeah, i never used to use note repeat; maybe once in a while when i didn't feel like playing my hi hats "live," but i couldn't figure out a really good use for it. Then one day i had this big, distorted kick and snare pattern going on, i was all burned up and just started jamming with the thing. My collab partner looked up from Reason like "?!?!"

And that was before you could switch between different note values on the fly. Also, I haven't checked it, but i think 2.1 also lets you toggle note repeat by pressing shift with it. FIRE!
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By psitech Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:01 pm
^^^i allways use note repeat and squeeze the pads to get the drums where i want them.... i just realized if the button stops working, i'm pretty much **** until i gets it fixed or get a new mpc :shock:
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By Stone Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:52 am
psitech wrote:^^^i allways use note repeat and squeeze the pads to get the drums where i want them.... i just realized if the button stops working, i'm pretty much **** until i gets it fixed or get a new mpc :shock:

~~WhoA! Psi, I just listened to ur music. YoU are spaced the Fuk-OUt! (So am I but you need help! j/k)