Whats's the difference in sound between the MPC60 & MPC4000?

BassLINE wrote:

earwolf wrote:i think i know what he's asking. if you sample straight into the 4k you will get a clean sound. if you sample into the 60 it will dirt it up somewhat.

Word? Do you even own a 60? Damn, yours must have some crazy, grit mod in it. My 60 doesn't dirty anything I put into it (which is quite annoying sometimes).

Lol, yes i own a 60 as well as a fair few other samplers so i feel i'm qualified to pass on my opinion. No it doesn't have a 'grit mod', but it sure adds dirt to these ears compared to a 4k, which was the actual question being asked. The sound of the 60 was the main reason I bought it.

tbiggz wrote:A person is less likely to accept advice from a rude person. Lest they end up the same way. mkay?

I agree. However, I don't feel like I was being rude at all. I didn't call him out his name or anything like that.

I was admittedly a bit intolerant as he didn't appear to even try to find the answer for himself. Can't stand laziness.

Look what I found by typing in 3 words: "dirty and sound"

http://www.mpc-forums.com/search.php?mode=results

Got quite a few results and that was off of one random search. See how easy it is? Now do you see why I was annoyed.

I practise tough love. If you want someone to hold your hand while we skip through a flower patch and whistle dixie then head elsewhere. If you wanna man up and learn something, come on in.

earwolf wrote:

BassLINE wrote:

earwolf wrote:i think i know what he's asking. if you sample straight into the 4k you will get a clean sound. if you sample into the 60 it will dirt it up somewhat.

Word? Do you even own a 60? Damn, yours must have some crazy, grit mod in it. My 60 doesn't dirty anything I put into it (which is quite annoying sometimes).

Lol, yes i own a 60 as well as a fair few other samplers so i feel i'm qualified to pass on my opinion. No it doesn't have a 'grit mod', but it sure adds dirt to these ears compared to a 4k, which was the actual question being asked. The sound of the 60 was the main reason I bought it.

I see, I hear you. Cuz, in my experience, when I sample from vinyl, there's really no difference in quality. I guess I can see where you're coming from as the 60 doesn't do anything to "brighten" the sound after you've sampled it (which is a good thing).

Only time my beats sound sorta "dirty" is when they're coming straight from the 60, no mixing. And I think that has more to do with the beat being unmixed and muddy than the 60 being a dirty sampler.

Now, my EmaxI, that ish was dirty (when I sampled at a low bandwidth and detuned ala SP1200 style). Very cool sound on that piece (but that's only the first step in getting "that sound" in your music, don't get it twisted).

BassLINE wrote:

earwolf wrote:

BassLINE wrote:

earwolf wrote:i think i know what he's asking. if you sample straight into the 4k you will get a clean sound. if you sample into the 60 it will dirt it up somewhat.

Word? Do you even own a 60? Damn, yours must have some crazy, grit mod in it. My 60 doesn't dirty anything I put into it (which is quite annoying sometimes).

Lol, yes i own a 60 as well as a fair few other samplers so i feel i'm qualified to pass on my opinion. No it doesn't have a 'grit mod', but it sure adds dirt to these ears compared to a 4k, which was the actual question being asked. The sound of the 60 was the main reason I bought it.

I see, I hear you. Cuz, in my experience, when I sample from vinyl, there's really no difference in quality. I guess I can see where you're coming from as the 60 doesn't do anything to "brighten" the sound after you've sampled it (which is a good thing).

Only time my beats sound sorta "dirty" is when they're coming straight from the 60, no mixing. And I think that has more to do with the beat being unmixed and muddy than the 60 being a dirty sampler.

Now, my EmaxI, that ish was dirty (when I sampled at a low bandwidth and detuned ala SP1200 style). Very cool sound on that piece (but that's only the first step in getting "that sound" in your music, don't get it twisted).

That's a good post. I mean back in the day the MPC was marketed as being able to give "realistic" drums, which I think would have meant to most that it was a clean and accurate sampler. What i guess maybe wasn't so apparent until later is how the 12-bit combined with the Roger Linn tweaks made the whole unit really smack for drums of all kinds.

But yep, for "grit" I think you need to do other stuff. I agree with the Emax comment - my Emax 1 beats have that pokey ringing flavour that is very hard to get elsewhere. Beats that used my RZ1 had that ultra-crunch. But then again beats I did on a SU10 had some smack, that had it's own take on the compression of data resulting in an 'altered' sound. I also got what I needed over the years from a DJ70, FZ1, S950, SP1200, W30, E64, ESX1, EPS16+ and even fruityloops.

To finish full circle, if you got an ear, imagination and some outboard, you could take the cleanest sampler on earth and get that nasty sound. Might take a little longer, but probably will be more original!

I think the Zoom St224 has some slamming drums too for what it's worth.

Well, Bassline, you probably know everything in the world. Good you never have to ask questions. Why I don't help him? I don't own a 60. I don't own a 4000.
But as you know it all, I thought you might want to help the dude out. I was wrong.

thegreatmuffin wrote:Well, Bassline, you probably know everything in the world. Good you never have to ask questions. Why I don't help him? I don't own a 60. I don't own a 4000.
But as you know it all, I thought you might want to help the dude out. I was wrong.

...then along came trouble to stir sh*t up...

Okay, listen cupcake.

I've spoken my piece and I feel that I have explained myself adequately. If you want to have a fight then, by all means, have one. However, I regret to inform you that it won't be with me. I've been in my share of scraps on these boards and, let me tell you, it's a waste of time. I refuse to partake of any more.

So, yeah, I'll play along:

Yes, I know everything and No, I've never had to ask a question.

I quote:

thegreatmuffin wrote:I don't own a 60. I don't own a 4000.

So why did you stick your nose in the thread and run off at the keys if you couldn't add anything of substance? Oh..yeah, I think I know the answer to that (as per you, I know everything right?).

thegreatmuffin wrote:Just help him out or don't say anything.

Hmm, great advice. Wish you would have followed it yourself.

I'm done with you. Keep it moving and, from now on, please only comment in threads in which you actually have something of substance to add.

Mmkay? Thanks sweetheart.

I never sensed any negativity from what I wrote. I was being honest. I just think everyone should find their own way of making their sampler work. Thats all I wanted to say.

Wether its layering 3 kicks or getting an SP1200, you can do whatever type of sound you want on any sampler from the 60, SP1200, S950, ASR10,...whatever, if you want to get a sound you should be able to achieve it with most samplers.

For example, my Nord Lead sounds a bit metallic sometimes, so I run it through some pedals(distortion, phaser, etc) to make sound more analog or dirtier. Anyone can do the same with a sampler. You can sample vinyl static, use a distortion pedal, etc, etc, etc. So, wether I had an MPC4000 or a MPC60, I could get the sounds I was after. The only thing it requires is some thinking, reading, and,....brace yourself,...creativity!!!!

If you ask 30 producers about which sampler they recommend, you are going to get 30 different answers. Some people say if you want punch & grit, nothing beats the SP1200. I get that. Yet some of the guys that gave that sampler its name switched to MPC's for various reasons.

If you want to achieve an particular sound, you have that blank canvas of a sampler to help you get there. There is no magic buttons on any MPC's that says, press this and you will get a Dr. Dre kick or a Pete Rock snare!!!

I think people (me included) put far to much emphasis on the gear and not enough on the production and music. The average person doesn't care what you used to get that kick to kick or that snare to slam. All they care about is that the song kicks & slams!!!!!

CHECK!!!!

@Bassline: Having a bad day
Read the thread all over and you'll see all the others are trying to steer the man in the right direction. You could do so too as you have a 60 and 4000.

As for why I posted in this thread is because I can get irritated of people that know it all but don't want to steer others in the right direction. Seeiing the post I thought it must be someone who has just started. And we all started someowhere, you included. I always say that there are no stupid questions. The answer however can be moulded to whatever you think one needs to do to get the info one needs.

Furthermore, look at the last post of Switch18. That's helping someone out.

You're taking this forum way to serious, relax a bit man.

60's a better first MP than the 4k tho I never had either........but I'd rather have the 4k anyway.,

Get both the 60 is great. It was built as a complient with the S950 too. The 4k has the Z8 built in. Now you should heed the others advice check the gear yourself and learn sound designing and layering to program the machine to do what you want not the other way around cuz it other does what you program it to do.

Learn to caught fish.

Here's the deal, you can make bangers on both. Do some research on both machines because its your money. Like most you want the best for your buck and if your new to the game get somthing that can hold you down for a while meaning help you avoid gear lust because it will be chasing you. If i could do it all over again i would have purchase the mpc 4000 as my first. Make sure you get all the dvds and manuals and any other info you can find. It will take some time to learn, figure out and then get your ideas down. Ps get some insurance on what ever you get because friends become eniemies

DeviousDaOnly wrote: get some insurance on what ever you get because friends become eniemies

preach!

that's great advice

"Dirty but clean" is an oxymoron if nothing else. Unfortunately, this machine does not exist.

BassLINE wrote:

earwolf wrote:i think i know what he's asking. if you sample straight into the 4k you will get a clean sound. if you sample into the 60 it will dirt it up somewhat.

Word? Do you even own a 60? Damn, yours must have some crazy, grit mod in it. My 60 doesn't dirty anything I put into it (which is quite annoying sometimes).

There is a difference - the sampling rate of an MPC 60 is pre-set while the MPC4000 gives you several options at higher sampling rates. (and yes, I have owned both) The lower sampling rate of the MPC60 does, in fact, add a bit of dirt to the sound, which is one reason it is still highly sought after for certian genre's of music....As for the sequencer, again there is double the resolution available in the MPC4000, but I have not been able to tell the difference between the two sequencers....You will have a whole lot more sampling time and the ability to emulate 12bit samples in the 4k while your pretty much stuck with what the 60 does if you go that route. The deal is though - 60's are cheap these days and you'll probably spend a couple of grand on a 4k