Patched Phrase - why?

I´m sorry for asking (and revealing my dumbness), but shortly:

You use Patched Phrase exactly... for what? I mean slicing and then using sliced samples is obvious for me, but what are the advantages of Patched Phrase. And yes, I read the manual and basically know how it´s done, but (obviosly) the manual didn´t tell why it´s done and how to take most out of it, heh.

Thanks!

advantage one:
the sampled phrase (patched) is on one single pad (not one pad per slice). But it adapts to tempo changes (unlike the original unpatched phrase).
I don't see any other advantage, but others may.

this is a question i had to ask myself

but i found out a good solution. i use it on fills. works like a charm.

peace
nym

its useful for things like melody loops. if i took a regular 128bpm bassline loop and tried to add it to a 125bpm track it wouldn't match up exactly. patch phrase solves this by letting you set the timing information (slices). i admit, i thought that you would be able to control each slice in a patched phrase independently or something to that effect so i find myself not really using this feature much except for ... well... basslines. its useful for things like keys as well. single hit drums can adjust to whatever tempo so patched phrase isn't really useful for beats. think of patched phrase as a way to 'timestretch' your loops to fit any tempo.

Okay, thanks guys!

If anyone has some other tips/advantages/major ideas concerning this Patched Phrase -issue, feel free to share your knoledge here. For now it seems to me that it may be useful in some occasions, but there is nothing "revolutionary" about! But if you can prove I´m all wrong, please do!

how is using a patched phrase different than timestretching?

patched phrase references the original file. timestretching is like a one time thing - once you timestretch somehting, it's done.

Timestretching extends / compress the duration of the sample to make it fit in the sequence.

Patched Phrase keeps the original duration of the sample but adjusts the slices of the sample according to the tempo of the sequence. Example: say you slice a sample with an original BPM of 90 and convert it to Patched Phrase. Now assign it to a pad and let it play with your BPM set to 180, the sample will play back whith a lot of silence between the slices, like it´s been cut up.
<1st slice>..silence..<2nd slice>..silence..<3rd slice>..and so on.

Play it at 45 BPM and the different slices wont have time to properly release, the second slice will cut the first slice when it´s only half way through.

Patched Phrase locks the slices to the BPM of the sequence and thereby gives you the opportunity to vary the tempo somewhat but keep the sample intact. If you stray to far from the original tempo it will start sounding kinda goofy, or cool if you like it choppy and distinct the German style.

A timestretched sample keeps it´s duration intact and won´t slave to the BPM.

ryssen wrote:Timestretching extends / compress the duration of the sample to make it fit in the sequence.

Patched Phrase keeps the original duration of the sample but adjusts the slices of the sample according to the tempo of the sequence. Example: say you slice a sample with an original BPM of 90 and convert it to Patched Phrase. Now assign it to a pad and let it play with your BPM set to 180, the sample will play back whith a lot of silence between the slices, like it´s been cut up.
<1st slice>..silence..<2nd slice>..silence..<3rd slice>..and so on.

Play it at 45 BPM and the different slices wont have time to properly release, the second slice will cut the first slice when it´s only half way through.

Patched Phrase locks the slices to the BPM of the sequence and thereby gives you the opportunity to vary the tempo somewhat but keep the sample intact. If you stray to far from the original tempo it will start sounding kinda goofy, or cool if you like it choppy and distinct the German style.

A timestretched sample keeps it´s duration intact and won´t slave to the BPM.

Some machines will also do a 'realtime timestretching' which slaves to the bpm. But not on the 1k, so the slicing/patch methods are the only option which lets you change bpm on the fly and have sequences still line up.

its like dr rex in reason!

Okei, thanksthanks! I´m getting it now!

Is there a way to easily change the order of the slices ? Like some softwares do to make new beats from the original one ?

CutDaMuzik wrote:Is there a way to easily change the order of the slices ? Like some softwares do to make new beats from the original one ?

it's pretty easy to slice them to a program and play them back in whatever order manually.
but there's no way using the patched phrase.

the more i play with pp the less i approve.

it's so much easier to chop to new program and just replay the sample, or better yet get creative with it.

henceforth i will never use pp. NEVER!

antonym, thats pretty much my opinion too. its a 'feature' but its not all that useful. now if you could say .. chop a wav into hits, save the patched phrase then reference that patched phrase later and export as slices without having to rechop... that would be awesome. it would be like a mpc REX file. I thought it did that at first ... unfortunately I was in for a surprise