Recording two sounds on one track (ie. Kick and Snare)

I read in an earlier thread that you could record kick and snare sequences on the same track then copy the track and erase the kick on one track and the snare on the other. That way you could record complex drum patterns easier and still have your sounds on different tracks. Can someone explain how to do this with an 1) audio sample assigned to the pad and 2) using Midi.

I was told that with audio sounds assigned to the pad you cant do this method that i stated above. Is that tru?

Thank you for the help!

First what series are you using??????

Can you do this with the 2kXL?

Record the snare and kick on the track> Go into the edit screen and copy the track to track 2(you can copy just the kick or snare by cursoring over to "ALL" in the notes field and hitting the pad the sample is assigned to)> go to the main screen, make sure track 1 is selected and hit the ERASE button> hit the pad that has the sample you want to erase> do the same for track 2 if you copied both the snare and kick(if you only copied one or the other it's not neccessary to erase anything).

Midi drum tracks will work the same way.

Can you do this with the 2kXL?

Yes.

^thanks for that.

yeah. i used to record kicks and snares to the same track when i first got my mp. now i seperate them, do the kicks first and just hit your finger on the side of the mpc or whatever is there.

ill have to try cooocooos sh!t out

cooocooo1 wrote:Record the snare and kick on the track> Go into the edit screen and copy the track to track 2(you can copy just the kick or snare by cursoring over to "ALL" in the notes field and hitting the pad the sample is assigned to)> go to the main screen, make sure track 1 is selected and hit the ERASE button> hit the pad that has the sample you want to erase> do the same for track 2 if you copied both the snare and kick(if you only copied one or the other it's not neccessary to erase anything).

Midi drum tracks will work the same way.

Can you do this with the 2kXL?

Yes.

I too use this same technique, its really helpful for me

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or just get the eight outputs and record each element to a diff track: kick track one, snare track two, etc. from there you can mix it just how you like (using the mute on your mixer). this way you dont have to feel like an idiot spending twenty minutes erasing noet data and just make music...

descartes wrote:or just get the eight outputs and record each element to a diff track: kick track one, snare track two, etc. from there you can mix it just how you like (using the mute on your mixer). this way you dont have to feel like an idiot spending twenty minutes erasing noet data and just make music...

The point was to make 1track tapping snares and kicks to make complex drum patterns.. Then later seperate into tracks. Easier to make VERY complex drums patterns this way cause you feel the beat more.. I'm not alone on this one I know, I do it all the time..

Lampdog wrote:

descartes wrote:or just get the eight outputs and record each element to a diff track: kick track one, snare track two, etc. from there you can mix it just how you like (using the mute on your mixer). this way you dont have to feel like an idiot spending twenty minutes erasing noet data and just make music...

The point was to make 1track tapping snares and kicks to make complex drum patterns.. Then later seperate into tracks. Easier to make VERY complex drums patterns this way cause you feel the beat more.. I'm not alone on this one I know, I do it all the time..

i guess i dont understand... i thought that was the point too. i always record everything to the same track (cause i do it all live). well no, thats not true, many times ill record kick and snare to one track and then record the high hats in a second pass, but still...

and how complex are we talking about anyway? hip hop complexity (which is the genre i automatically assume we are talking bout) has more to do with where you place the rather minimal sounds...dont it?

maybe youre doing something id never thought of, lampdog. and in that case please explain (or send me to post that does).

I actually don't work this way but let me help anyone who doesn't understand why someone would work like this.

You sit down, turn the power on, load up some programs, hit record and start bangin' out some two handed drum patterns:

BOOM BAP BA BOOM BOOM BAP, hey that kick/snare pattern sounds nice, tick tick tick tick ti ti ti tick tick, cool, I'm feelin' that hi hat, I think that vocal sample on pad 10 and 11 will sound cool right ...............here! Now to bring in those bass samples on pads 13, 14, 15 and 16, ...........sounds good! Some percussion here, some more elements there, done. Don't look now but I damn near got a whole track done without stoppin' to switch tracks. WHY? Cuz you can put everything where it's supposed to be later when you're not feelin quite so creative.

This of course is an exageration of what soulz was trying to do but I think it gets the point across. Sorry if it came off a little agressive, that was not my intension.

cooocooo1 wrote: Don't look now but I damn near got a whole track done without stoppin' to switch tracks. WHY? Cuz you can put everything where it's supposed to be later when you're not feelin quite so creative.

yeah... but you dont have to stop to switch tracks... you can change the track you are recording on without pressing stop. putting everything where its supposed to be is one thing, but that doesnt mean you should record an entire single track full of data when you dont gots to... sounds like making more work for yourself latter.

h3ll, this might just be an issue of how we record... like it says in my signature, i use a dps 16, so I can record 10 tracks off my mpc at a time, so maybe the idea of using 8 outs to split the individual sounds just makes more sense to me than it would to a cat that can only record in stereo. do you think thats the issue?

What's really funny to me is that we're all really arguing the same point.

I think this mainly applies to drum tracks. When recording a drum track, especially the kick/snare, most people like to use both hands cuz it feels more natural, kick with the left, snare with the right(or vice versa) so when you're done recording that track you have one track with two sounds which is fine unless you plan on tracking every sound individualy. Then it's best to have everything on it's own track which is where the copying of the track comes in, you copy the snare to track two and erase it from track one and assign them to the correct outputs so you can track them through the 8 outs.

[quote="cooocooo1"]What's really funny to me is that we're all really arguing the same point.[quote]

thats always a good sign...

Thanks all! I just got back in town and was impressed to see the suggestions from headz that know the MPC better than I...... Thanks again!