Timeing (Erasing extra space)

have you tried doubling your tempo instead of slowing it down that much?

nah...I'll try it though.

try that. just add more bars to your sequence

Re: wrote:I have the mpc 4000, the tempo on the main page is set to 120, I found out when you slow that down to around 35 the metronome click falls every half bar, like a snare. Unorthodox, I know, but thats what I'm working with.

i wouldnt do it that way...

Hasn't really caused any problems for me, all the other stuff I was talking about was a problem before I did that. At this point I'm just trying random things...

just try this shit for a couple hours, nothin worked.

for those who said to timestretch, you can't timestretch a sequence, so...that didn't work. You can change the tempo, ie: slow it down, but that just slows down the empty space as well.

if your sample truly ends in the middle of a bar, then that is the problem right there. typically drum beats in songs do not do that, so when you originally sampled, you should have taken more, or less.

(of course it will be hard to tell since your tempo is cut in half, so fix that first)

what you could do is pick part of the loop to repeat at the end...

on the other hand, if you are sure that's what you really want (ie an intro that is 2.5 bars long or something), then you could construct that by sequencing your intro with some bars in 4/4 time-signature with one extra bar of 2/4 time signature at the end. I could tell you how if u had a 1k...

The reason noone else has this problem is that 99.9% of tunes are written with only full-bar sections, not half-bars, so people don't run into this. And when most people sample loops, they sample in whole-bar chunks (ie 1,2, 4 or 8 bars) and then they don't have a problem.

EDIT:: i was gonna say something about having an expensive machine, but im not gonna, cause i bought a $3k keyboard as my first gear without really knowing that much .

sleep...you've got me all wrong. I know that about bars and all that. Even if I'm just beggining with production I've been listening to hip hop pretty damn long and extensively, so that ain't the problem. I appreciate the help though.

What I'm doing is this, let's say I have a drum loop in my head. In the main page, I basically make the drum loop from scratch. The tempo field is set to 120, the bar field is set to 4, everything is normal. I load the one shot snare, and record that so I have four bars worth of snares. I also implement kicks and everything I need. The problem is...the four bars that make up my new drum loop are basically quicker in tempo than the four bar recording time. This leads to a pause at the end of the sequence.

This is a sequence problem, not a sample problem---thats the part I want to make most clear.

(of course it will be hard to tell since your tempo is cut in half, so fix that first)

I only tried cutting the tempo in half for a few times after I was already having my problem, just to try it. I also tried doubling the tempo. Neither helped anything. The whole comment I made about tempo earlier is irrelevant, it didn't helped nor hurt me. I usually work at 120 anyway.

Basically, I have a 4 bar sequence in my head. I've never studied music theory or anything before...I don't know what tempo, what the bpm for the four bars in my head are. I thought I could just bang it out, record it, and work from there. Guess I was wrong.

right, right, right.

i get it now.

yah, id say the normal way is to avoid this situation by setting the tempo right first.

(just use tap tempo... then use a metronome click, or program a 'scratch' kick to play along with, or something.)

once it's too late.. i dont think there is a seq edit function to 'spread out' your pattern to fit a given tempo (ill think about that some more...)

so what you're saying is that when you bang out your drum pattern you do so at a different tempo than the sequencer is set to. like it was said before, use the tap tempo feature to get the sequence tempo matched to the one in your head. you also need to learn to play along with the metronome. i think thats a big probelm for you. even if you get the tempo close with the tap tempo feature your stuff will always be off until you get this down.

birdbrain wrote:so what you're saying is that when you bang out your drum pattern you do so at a different tempo than the sequencer is set to. like it was said before, use the tap tempo feature to get the sequence tempo matched to the one in your head. you also need to learn to play along with the metronome. i think thats a big probelm for you. even if you get the tempo close with the tap tempo feature your stuff will always be off until you get this down.

Birdbrains right. The whole point of the metronome is that it gives you the timing of the beat you're composing.

If you already have this beat planned out in your head then just sing it along in your head while tapping the "Tap Tempo" button to the beat and you should get a tempo around about where you desire.

Id have trouble even trying to lay down a well timed beat at a different tempo to the metronome (thats ticking alojng at the same time) cuz I got into producing through DJing so my ear naturally picks out a beat and quantizes me, so to speak, to that beat.

Gotta say that this is one of the most bizarre questions I've seen on this forum. Just set the tempo to 90 and you should be fine I imagine if youre going for Hip Hop...it'll bring you close enough to the beat I imagine youre hearing that you wont be able to help but play along to that tempo.

SUSHI

alright thanks. I've never even tried tap tempo, didn't even look up what it was in the manual. As far as the metronome the ticking throws me off, like there's too much ticking. That' the reason I started putting the tempo around 35.

help was appreciated.

Re: wrote:alright thanks. I've never even tried tap tempo, didn't even look up what it was in the manual. As far as the metronome the ticking throws me off, like there's too much ticking. That' the reason I started putting the tempo around 35.

help was appreciated.

No probs
If youre settting it at 35 then youre probably playing at 70 tempo so try it at that.

You could even double up and set the tempo to 140 but that's a whole different story.

CHEEZE
SUSHI