Joining 3k users tomorrow

My wife tells me that only the small companies will most likely be affected.

The bigger companies will be going to such tactics as not selling these older used products..but offer them for 'rent'.

jahrome wrote:My wife tells me that only the small companies will most likely be affected.

The bigger companies will be going to such tactics as not selling these older used products..but offer them for 'rent'.

Mmm Ishibashi Music, Bee`s Music, Musicland Keys, Power DJs, Echigoya Music in the Shibuya area are the just some of the chains that are going to be affected so the stock was sold quickly and as far as the replacements they weren`t buying them either. After ten yrs the gov is coming down on April first. Maybe afterwards to see if things cool down a couple of months and how much enforcement too.

Who ever heard of a mpc blowing up and setting a house on fire you got me? I went with a individual collector who was an ex-Akai employee he, he, he.

If you really think about the audio equipment manufactors are happy cuz that will slow down the reselling of used gears and get most buyers back into the the newest and latest releases more money for the companies.

Little trivial I learnt today that Roger Linn and Akai had no great love for each other at the end of their joint venture cuz of money it seems. Too bad it could have been beautiful had it continued.


Last I heard of a new mpc was next yr 2007 back in Nov 2005 that is all I know about it. Like any company Pro Audio is always doing research and development for the past two yrs. Some basic parameters on the 3k clued me in to alot of things and the ease of use really does show that

Roger was designing for simplicity and ease of use of the 60, and 3k.

Akai was designing for functioniality in the later models 2k thru 4k.

Got to hit up Hard Off Store that were I got my Technics 1200s for 10000 yen about $78 US two yrs back.

Damn....Sof Map is in the act as well.

I see Yahoo Auctions Japan blowing up for the older gear.

But the newer gear will still be bought/sold which will have no impact on the larger companies like Sof Map and Laox.

jahrome wrote:Damn....Sof Map is in the act as well.

I see Yahoo Auctions Japan blowing up for the older gear.

But the newer gear will still be bought/sold which will have no impact on the larger companies like Sof Map and Laox.

That`s right but remember we are talking about gear made after 2001 having the saftey stickers see. The pre 2000 gears are the fat tradeoffs.

The companies that are selling the really vintage gear will be left out of this picture. They have to fill out some paperwork and they are permitted to continue to sell this gear.

jahrome wrote:The companies that are selling the really vintage gear will be left out of this picture. They have to fill out some paperwork and they are permitted to continue to sell this gear.

I see now this is what you are talking about thanks to Ryuichi Sakamoto and his petition.

From the blog and manichi news


Update on used electronics restrictions - some good news
March 16th, 2006 by Mutantfrog

Update to an earlier post where I discussed Japan’s new restrictions on sales of second hand electronics. I’ll start by summarizing what I know about the issue so far, and then add the good news at the end.

To summarize, Japan is (from April 1) requiring that most used electronics older than 5 years of age must be certified as electrically safe for usage before resale, which puts a serious cramp in the business of small scale used goods stores. While few people really care about being able to get their hands on a decade old refrigerator or rice cooker, fans of vintage electronic musical instruments were particularly outraged, and organized a strong campaign against the new regulations.

This issue became widely discussed on the English internet when retro gaming fans became scared that sales of used consoles would become illegal. I pointed out that foreign export sales of all items will remain unrestricted, which is at least a boon to retro electronics fans outside of Japan, but it could still potentially cause problems for Japanese gamers.

Since the regulations are about electrical safety, in the case of units that operate off of an external power supply, it seems that only the power supply itself will be tested, and there will also be a grace period of 2 additional years before regulations regarding AC adapters and power cords come into effect. Now, it would be possibly to replace the old power supply with a newer one of the correct voltage/amperage, but that’s a rather serious step for an ordinary gaming store, and would probably cause serious price increase. Also, there are unfortunately a few models of consoles that integrated the power supply, which means that they will be affected right on April 1, without the AC adapter related grace period.

HOWEVER, thanks to an anonymous comment, I noticed that there is some very good news on this front. In fact, I’ll just repost the text of the comment below, since it covers it pretty well.

Yesterday March 14, 2006 the Japanese ministry in charge of the PSE law and its interpretation announced that “Vintage Electric Equipment” including guitar amps, audio, electric musical instruments, and electric powered photographic equipment etc. will be exempted from full PSE testing requirements, and will be allowed to sell after a simplified registration procedure is followed by the merchant.




For those who can read Japanese, see news item at Yahoo Japan:
http://dailynews.yahoo.co.jp/fc/domestic/pse_law/
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20060 ... ai-bus_all

Also notice that major second-hand audio retailer HiFi Do had already registered with the ministry as a re-manufacturer of used audio equipment and has set itself up to do fully compliant testing and certification, and also will equip each piece of used equipment they sell (after testing and modifying the equipment to comply with the law) with a properly registered PSE sticker.

See http://www.hifido.co.jp/merumaga/osu_sale/060310/

So this means the good Ryuichi Sakamoto (who campaigned against the law prohibiting sale of vintage synthesizers etc.) and his friends were successful.
Check out that last link for a neat series of photos of the solder-smiths at Hifido testing, repairing, and certifying equipment under the new PSE regulations (the source of the above image.)




According to the Mainichi Shinbum, the Japanese Synthesizer Programmers Association delivered a petition with 75,000 signatures to the PSE office, prompting their decision to reclassify musical equipment. This is obviously great news for fans of vintage music and photographic equipment, it also offers hope to retro gamers. While gaming machines (software and peripherals are of course safe, since they aren’t serious electrical conduits) are still classified as restricted items, this decision clearly opens the door for their inclusion on the list of vintage, exempt, items. While their may not be a Japanese Vintage Gaming Association, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some higher-ups from companies like Nintendo or Sega step forward and ask the government not to cordon off their legacy with red tape.

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4 Responses to 'Update on used electronics restrictions - some good news'




Jeremy Bailey Says:
March 16th, 2006 at 7:35 pm

Hey guys, well done. I appreciated your well thought-out post detailing the upcoming restrictions. I first learned about the Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law through a blurb on NHK news last week, but didn’t bother looking it up before writing about it on my blog . I definitely appreciate the info and the useful links. Thanks!



blah Says:
March 17th, 2006 at 7:13 am

why not package every console with a music cd or special music-only cartridge and claim it’s for audio playing purposes only.



rgcombs.blog-city.com Says:
March 17th, 2006 at 9:40 pm

Japan’s used electronics restrictions eased…

About a month ago, I wrote about Japan’s impending restrictions on the sale of electronic devices more than five years old. The new regulation, which is set to take effect April 1, allows the sale of such equipment only if the seller gets a …...



Katsuya Says:
March 19th, 2006 at 12:01 am

Hello all foreign people, who are interested in this issue.

I have got disappointed with Japanese mass media’s
negligence to report the essence of this problem.

Is there any country, in which government decides what vintage is ?

Please be informed that the essence of the problem, shared among
Japanese networkers.

1.The safety will not improve by enacting the PSE law,
because there is no difference about guidelines between PSE law
and previous law.
Or the safety will get worse for foreign merchandise are to be
imported blindly if it is with PSE seal.

2.The PSE law does NOT represent old.
No lawmakers have discussed old electric/electoronic appliances
and there is no representaion about “old”and “secondhand”
on the law.

3.The PSE law is of the bureaucrat by the bureaucrat for
the bureaucrat.

Goverment enforces it’s application to old electric/electronic
appliances, because inspection organizations have
gaven seats to many old bureaucrats with annual
income over 10 million JPY or86,300 USD.

4.The law is anticonstitutional.
Ban on trade of old electric/electronic appliances means
property and inventory turn to zero on balanse sheet,
as their market values will be zero.

5.Big gap between networkers and majority of people
As mass media contiunes to ignore above points,
there are serious perception gap between networkers
and majority of people.

Thank you for reading about this shameful law.

Best regards,

I like the way the feel and response of the pads on the 3k just seems to lock to my rhythm better with ease. My thoughts are in the construction of the feel and response of the pads or contacts beneath. Even though, the pads feel harder than my 4ks and I have to use just a little more umph to get a high velocity it sounds nice.

It`s nice, it is nice.

Two different but very similar pieces. I will develop more with this one too.

Thanks for the bible thread too guys.

3k is king.. no doubt
the one and only piece of gear ive owned, that i know i will always keep.

So now that you have 3 MPCs..which one will you actually use?
Or will you use 2 like a Dr. Dre because you don't want to waste time loading up drum kits which will slow down your creative process?

The 3k is a nice choice. Welcome.

peace

jahrome wrote:So now that you have 3 MPCs..which one will you actually use?
Or will you use 2 like a Dr. Dre because you don't want to waste time loading up drum kits which will slow down your creative process?

So now that you have 4 keyboards which one will you actually use?
Or will you use 4 like a jahrome because you don`t want to waste time loading up a combo or programs which will slow down your creative...ha, ha,

No actually I`m learning alot of the sound designing and beatmaking processes with the 3k, it like a incredible conditioning for using mainly the ears, the mind for thinking, and little more challenge with the feel. The 3k so far has been a learning experience granted I had it now for 3 days (got to have the after key checked ha, ha). Kind of different mindset and definitively opening up some secrets that I wasn`t aware of before. Less is indeed more.

However still my 4k is my main tool and from my observation the 4k was an attempt to be the sucessor of the 3k as far as the layout with dedicated buttons but the 3ks parameters are much more simplier and much more user friendly for beginners to use. But the on the real they both have most of the same functions except for the 4k full sampler envs, lfos, and etc, etc. The 3K pads are responsiveness feel vastly different which may be why I feel I can get a better performance out of my sequencer.

As far as the 1k I got it cheap in Nov 05 before the O.S. drops in anticpation of O.S. 2 sparq is the truth to carry to the rehearsal studios and friends home the 4k`s to big and heavy, got to many connections to my home setup and their are some mofos you don`t want in your crib anyway.
I hardly use my baby 2500 at home, just on the road.

The 3k is an classic, intuitive piece indeed and the users of the 3k definitive learn alot about music using it. I wish I had learn on it as my first mpc, but I seen it and tap a few beats on it in others studios when I started on my 2xl back in 99. At that time is was a premo prices more than my 2xl new shit!!!!!!!!!

Most of those 3k devotees I knew had a 2xl sitting next to them for chopping anyway go figure but did all the sequencing on the 3k.

Anyway I sold the 2xl in 03 for a 4k and now I`m here with a 3k cuz I got one in nice shape and I kind of love reverse engineering equip to learn as much as I can for my productions.

But as far as everything 3k is making me a better user of my other mpcs.

MPC, MPC, MPC!!!!

yea, since I gots mine I've been playing alot more ish live, in contrast to my step editing crayzies I was goin through on the 2k to make it sound right.

Who'd know that the missing "undo" would actually make me step up my overdub and live skills...?

The filter envelope even made me change my digging ear, since i know now, certain short strange sounding bleeps and blobs can be turned into crazy synth sweeps.
Lately ppl been asking me which synth I been using cuz of this hah.

Goddamn, I love this machine. Now all I need to work with it is a korg esx1.......

Enjoy your new baby, Haze!
Don't let it collect dust after a first month of excitement when you go back on ya 4k.
Personally, if I had a bunch of synths, I'd sync them fukcas and keep the 4k just for sampling while play and midi for them keys and do all sampling on the 3k (perhaps zoning on the 4k for chopping..)

.toon

I actually got rid ofall the keyboards and just settle for rack modules. I bought the Fantom for this one piano patch..the Motif for this drum kits I love..the Protues for....

I really do understand your reasoning for getting an MPC 3000...I really do