f*** the assignable outs for recording...

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f*** the assignable outs for recording...

By poast pr Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:56 pm
I wanted to buy an alesis a13 adat for my emu 1212m so i could record the 4 outs in one go.
But then i started thinkin.. "why not record the solo tracks inside the mpc with the main out feature?"
My opinion is that it will be better for the soundquality, cos it stays inside the mpc and i transfer the seperate tracks thru usb and open them inside nuendo 3. No extra a/d conversion this way. Ok i can't record 4 tracks in one go, but f*** the damn extra minutes of work. :D
Anyone else doing this? :shock:
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By Hypes Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:12 pm
yeah I was doin that when I first got my 1k - its a tedious process however.


I sync with and record into nuendo 1 track at a time now - through the reg stereo outs.

I do not use the assignable outs because my interface only records 2 ins at once anyways.



however u want to do it, as long as it works for you.

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By sparq Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:12 pm
poast pr wrote:I wanted to buy an alesis a13 adat for my emu 1212m so i could record the 4 outs in one go.
But then i started thinkin.. "why not record the solo tracks inside the mpc with the main out feature?"
My opinion is that it will be better for the soundquality, cos it stays inside the mpc and i transfer the seperate tracks thru usb and open them inside nuendo 3. No extra a/d conversion this way. Ok i can't record 4 tracks in one go, but f*** the damn extra minutes of work. :D
Anyone else doing this? :shock:
i can understand why Hypes does it but why can't you use the 4 outs at the same time to record into nuendo? and why would you buy extra equipment (the adat)? i use the outs all the time with no problem.
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hmm..

By Balls Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:54 pm
Actually the sound loses more quality when resampling, than tracking out of the assignables.. If you wanna be 100% sure of not losing any quality you should track out from the digital output (spdif), in that way the sound will never be A/D converted. I use the assignables as well as the mainouts to track into my digi002 - And i'm pretty happy with that. Just remember to turn the level to the max (without overdriving the signal though!) and you should be fine.
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By Antonym Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:06 pm
i use spdif too, but i'm thinking of switching to assignable outs for some stuff.

someday, it'll be amazing - samplers will ONLY have digital outs.

By sparq Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:08 pm
Antonym wrote:i use spdif too, but i'm thinking of switching to assignable outs for some stuff.

someday, it'll be amazing - samplers will ONLY have digital outs.
although digital is good..... i like the analog world of recording. that's why i'm trying to recreate it as much as possible. i just like the warmth of the sound.
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By poast pr Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:28 pm
i can understand why Hypes does it but why can't you use the 4 outs at the same time to record into nuendo? and why would you buy extra equipment (the adat)? i use the outs all the time with no problem.


Yo Sparc, i need to buy extra equipment like the "adat" becos my soundcard (emu 1212m) only has 2 inputs. That's the reason.

By sparq Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:38 pm
poast pr wrote:
i can understand why Hypes does it but why can't you use the 4 outs at the same time to record into nuendo? and why would you buy extra equipment (the adat)? i use the outs all the time with no problem.


Yo Sparc, i need to buy extra equipment like the "adat" becos my soundcard (emu 1212m) only has 2 inputs. That's the reason.
right, right. i forgot you told me that. if you really want to go the adat route, i guess that's cool. i've never messed with adats. how much are you looking to spend?
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By Antonym Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:58 pm
i like the analog sound too, but ideally, for tracking out of my mpc, i'd rather do that bit digital and rerecord stuff that i want "analoged" (bass, drums, w/e) from my pc since my delta66's DA converters are better than my mpc's AD converters, you understand me?

i use analog sound as an effect on certain things, but not all. it's an incredibly useful too to record lofi drums and bass to tape and then back again. GREAT sound, dirty as hell but the dirtiness is all controlled.
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By melton Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:12 pm
i had an idea for resampling that might be useful to peeps tracking out digitally.
I was thinking if you take your sequence, duplicate it (as many times as there are used tracks), and then solo individual tracks in the duplicated sequences, then make a song with a progression of each sequence.... convert song to sequence, resample sequence... and voila... single wav file with all tracks ready to be layed into computer audio program for mixing (after being cut into sections for tracks).

I haven't actually tried this yet, so I don't really know if it's better than manually tracking a beat into the computer, but it might be a viable method if you want to keep it digital. It should be fairly easy to cut up the wav file into the sections to layer as long as you have the right tempo selected in the program, and grid turned on to snap to the point to cut.
Anyways, hopefully that made sense.
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By ryssen Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:55 pm
Maybe it´s just me being stupid, but I just can´t get the internal resampling to give a balanced level, it´s either rather low or to strong, causing digital artefacts. I´m switching the master level in "Other" mode but it never comes out good sounding.

If you care about sound quality and like me can´t get a resampled file that is reasonably loud but not too loud, don´t think the resample function give better result quality wise. A sound recorded digital in 16 bit but with it´s peaks far below a 0 dB level don´t use all the bits and thereby sounds as it has been recorded at a lower bitrate. So if your sounds peak low on the meters after you imported them in your DAW it´s a bad idea quality wise to resample internally, and normalize isn´t the solution to the wasted bits, the signal to noise ratio and resolution remains the same even though the file gets louder.
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By Capshun Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:57 pm
ive been doing 1 track at a time forawhile, i want to start doing 4 at a time

By sleepersriddle Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:56 pm
ryssen wrote:Maybe it´s just me being stupid, but I just can´t get the internal resampling to give a balanced level, it´s either rather low or to strong, causing digital artefacts. I´m switching the master level in "Other" mode but it never comes out good sounding.

If you care about sound quality and like me can´t get a resampled file that is reasonably loud but not too loud, don´t think the resample function give better result quality wise. A sound recorded digital in 16 bit but with it´s peaks far below a 0 dB level don´t use all the bits and thereby sounds as it has been recorded at a lower bitrate. So if your sounds peak low on the meters after you imported them in your DAW it´s a bad idea quality wise to resample internally, and normalize isn´t the solution to the wasted bits, the signal to noise ratio and resolution remains the same even though the file gets louder.


i wish i knew more about the digital gain staging in the 1k...

do you think that tracking out in realtime gets around your problem because the 'volume' dial is applying one additional digital volume boost to the master signal- before the signal is dithered down to 16 bits? or does the volume dial control an analog amplification stage after the d/a conversion?

if the latter, then really you're no better off whether resampling or not.

Re: hmm..

By orjanbeats Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:57 pm
Balls wrote:Actually the sound loses more quality when resampling, than tracking out of the assignables.. If you wanna be 100% sure of not losing any quality you should track out from the digital output (spdif), in that way the sound will never be A/D converted. I use the assignables as well as the mainouts to track into my digi002 - And i'm pretty happy with that. Just remember to turn the level to the max (without overdriving the signal though!) and you should be fine.


Why is that?

By orjanbeats Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:58 pm
sleepersriddle wrote:
ryssen wrote:Maybe it´s just me being stupid, but I just can´t get the internal resampling to give a balanced level, it´s either rather low or to strong, causing digital artefacts. I´m switching the master level in "Other" mode but it never comes out good sounding.

If you care about sound quality and like me can´t get a resampled file that is reasonably loud but not too loud, don´t think the resample function give better result quality wise. A sound recorded digital in 16 bit but with it´s peaks far below a 0 dB level don´t use all the bits and thereby sounds as it has been recorded at a lower bitrate. So if your sounds peak low on the meters after you imported them in your DAW it´s a bad idea quality wise to resample internally, and normalize isn´t the solution to the wasted bits, the signal to noise ratio and resolution remains the same even though the file gets louder.


i wish i knew more about the digital gain staging in the 1k...

do you think that tracking out in realtime gets around your problem because the 'volume' dial is applying one additional digital volume boost to the master signal- before the signal is dithered down to 16 bits? or does the volume dial control an analog amplification stage after the d/a conversion?

if the latter, then really you're no better off whether resampling or not.
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