Protecting a loop so it won't be stolen

Remember "Jenny on the Block" used the same loop as Beatnuts?
Trashmasters just yanked that loop and re-used it.

Basically, I have some songs that use loops (2-4 bars, no "chopped snares" - these are not disquised real identifiable loops) They are from relatively rare records but a real head may pick them out. This ain't a Con-ye job like ripping off the whole song of Testify, but like old psychedelic loops that are so dope I don't want to even clutter them.

If I independently release a CD with these loops, I could see a major producer finding the records I used and sample them in the same way.

Is there a way to protect this, or does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle this as producers? At the moment, I don't even want to credit the sample origin because of the ability for another producer to steal. If it would get distributed then I would clear the samples.

I have read the copyright threads, sample source clearance, etc. but this is a little different.

Thanks as always a good forum.
For the record, I'm still bangin with a fully maxed 2000xl for life, you dig.

something u dont own cant be stolen

just cause u looped it dont make it yours....its a fukin loop


ok i think were done here


on to the next dumb @$$ question

**** that.
most major producers don't sample nowadays. its mostly keyboard sounds.
cats that are major producer that do use samples, are way too ill for that shit.

I thought alot of producers sampled first and then had the sample re recorded by studio players so they didn't have to pay royalties. Like on Tricky Daddy's "Let's Go". I'd been messing with that "Crazy Train" loop for a long time before that single came out. But I was also wondering if you could clear a sample and pay a little bit extra to not list it so it would stay your secret.

sif1949 wrote:I thought alot of producers sampled first and then had the sample re recorded by studio players so they didn't have to pay royalties. Like on Tricky Daddy's "Let's Go". I'd been messing with that "Crazy Train" loop for a long time before that single came out. But I was also wondering if you could clear a sample and pay a little bit extra to not list it so it would stay your secret.

a lot of official releases don't clear their samples. In the end someone will find it, no record is a secret. And It isn't a secret that you listen to micheal jackson and boy george records

sif1949 wrote:I thought alot of producers sampled first and then had the sample re recorded by studio players so they didn't have to pay royalties.

there are two different things you have to clear:

1. the composition
2. the recording of the composition - as in the actual sound caught on tape

so if you take a sample and have someone replay it, you still would have to clear it with the person/company that owns the rights to the actual composition. this of course saves you some money, because you wouldn't need to clear with the person/company that owns the rights of the recording session

but unless you're planning on shifting tens of thousand of units, i wouldn't worry about clearing samples.

and anyone dissing michael jackson records shouldn't be taken seriously

Is there a way to protect this, or does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle this as producers?

ahahaha, you can't be serious...

"Protect it?" Man it's a loop for Christ's sake. Of course there's no way to protect it, all you did was steal it off a record

juxt wrote:

sif1949 wrote:I thought alot of producers sampled first and then had the sample re recorded by studio players so they didn't have to pay royalties. Like on Tricky Daddy's "Let's Go". I'd been messing with that "Crazy Train" loop for a long time before that single came out. But I was also wondering if you could clear a sample and pay a little bit extra to not list it so it would stay your secret.

a lot of official releases don't clear their samples. In the end someone will find it, no record is a secret. And It isn't a secret that you listen to micheal jackson and boy george records

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HAHAHAHAHA

Be easy on the guy....he learn that you need to chop and with sampling, you don't own it man!

Just Flilp, Chop, Slop and ROB.. lol.. make it un-noticable.

bboutit wrote:Just Flilp, Chop, Slop and ROB.. lol.. make it un-noticable.

jaem wrote:something u dont own cant be stolen

just cause u looped it dont make it yours....its a fukin loop


ok i think were done here


on to the next dumb @$$ question

lmao

So let me get this straight....You want to stop someone from sampling something that you have sampled/looped?!?!

Again, let me word it a little different now....You want to stop someone from doing something that you have done yourself?!?!

WHOA!

That's like your dad saying you can't have sex at 15 when you know that he was hittin' chicks like a jack rabbit back in the day!!!!

You could try and by the copyright license to the orginal track? then nobody can use it without paying you... might need to sell your house to get it though :-/

^^^ and add on a couple hundred hand jobs into that equation