Wax or Sample CD's

I'm old school. I don't think that you should buy a sample cd full of hip hop samples and drums, make beats with this and call your self a beat maker. Do you guys agree?

I think the only way, or at least the right way, is to get some turntables, buy some old records, pay your dues, listen out for great samples, and then sample. Once you have your samples, make beats.

What do you guys think?

A lot of these younger kids don't see a problem with buying hip hop sample cd's that already have kits and one shots on them. They don't want to pay their dues. They want to be Pete Rock overnight. What's up with that?

Here is a good example of what I am talking about:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=735094&mpage=1&key=

This guy wanted to argue with me forever about buying sample cd's instead of making your own samples.

I feel you. I use those sample cd's every once in awhile but could never neglect records. Half the joy to me is listening to a record and finding new sounds & samples. Shit is theraputic to me

I use any source within my reach to get that sample I want.

i'm gonna use anything ( wax, tv, dvd movies, vhs... ) except CD. There is a whole process to find good samples. Takes time, patience, good ears. Not just a PayPal account on ebay ( see what I mean ?! )

vinz wrote:i'm gonna use anything ( wax, tv, dvd movies, vhs... ) except CD. There is a whole process to find good samples. Takes time, patience, good ears. Not just a PayPal account on ebay ( see what I mean ?! )

i see i guess, but it does help.
im normally against sampling at all in general. If I find a sample where I really really think I can make it better than the original then I might but usually I try and stay far, far, far away from sampling. I all for bein old school and I mainly love older music and dont really like much new stuff but the music I make comes from me entirely like my lines and my beats if u get me, lol sorry i might not have made much logic

Not everyone has the time to search high and low for old records with those tasty drum hits. Some of us have to resort to CDs like Vinylistics. Most well known producers use drum libraries, even Kanye West pays people to bring him samples. One can just go out and cop Dusty Fingers or any of the other break (vinyl) records that are at your local Hip-Hop spot. At least with the CDs cats still have to extract the hits and samples. Right now you have dudes that use Limewire and iTunes to sample any and every song that is available. Times are chaging, technology is changing.

it aint what u use, its how u use it

I use mostly vinyl for the record

I don't see a problem using sample cd's. As said before: it's how you use the sample. Even a simple single shot kick right of a sample cd can be moulded into a nice bassline. Some sample of vinyl and don't even bother to rework the beat.

I've used a drumhit from a sample cd once or twice.
Even though I heavily tweaked it, I still felt I cheated on my girlfriend afterwards, so I'll never do that again.
To each his own I guess.

BTW when that guy you had the argument with starts talking about hip-hop evolving, then talking about people like 50cent, eminem and twista.
Shit like that really pisses me off.
I hear it all the time; "what you still listening to that boombap for; hip-hop has to evolve", after which they talk to me about Kanye, 50, Game, Lil' Jon etc.
All that radio bullshit.
Aah, whatever....

thegreatmuffin wrote:I don't see a problem using sample cd's. As said before: it's how you use the sample. Even a simple single shot kick right of a sample cd can be moulded into a nice bassline. Some sample of vinyl and don't even bother to rework the beat.

Exactly ...

"It doesn't matter where you're from ... it's where you're at" !

"It doesn't matter what you wear ... it's how you wear it" !

Rohan.

mpc3000le wrote:

thegreatmuffin wrote:I don't see a problem using sample cd's. As said before: it's how you use the sample. Even a simple single shot kick right of a sample cd can be moulded into a nice bassline. Some sample of vinyl and don't even bother to rework the beat.

Exactly ...

"It doesn't matter where you're from ... it's where you're at" !

"It doesn't matter what you wear ... it's how you wear it" !

Rohan.

I meet two types of hip-hop producers:

1. True followers of hip hop paths, who experiment a lot in the lab, DITC, develops the incredible original stuff (sound design)

2. Super trend followers, with out of code of honor, sense of history (they will sample & bite anything as long as it sounds hot and sales good)

Since 1993 I have checked a lot of hip-hop sample CD's from many labels.
(I don’t use them, but from time to time I like to check them and maybe learn 1 or 2 new techniques of sound flipping.)

I have noticed that a lot of creators of such a products sample stuff direct from rap album’s & then they try to push it as they own "original/creative" product – which I don’t like.

Hihache from Biz Markie's record or same hihache from Roots record on Big Fish;
It’s so recognizable, and they just can’t convince me that they are innovators in hip-hop sound design.

In 2006 I can still hear a Premo’s Hi-hat, Snare from “Nas is like” in a lot of songs from USA, Germany, France, Italy, and DJ Premier have nothing to do with them.
That Hi-hat is Premos signature, a lot of real hip hop producers know that, they respect the art, and they will never sample that.

I think if you are a Hip Hop producer you have to know your drums,
you have to have your certain style,
and yes you have to DITC (That’s the root of the culture).

I also think that is OK to use sample CD’s with professional instruments,
SFX, ethnic percussion sounds, drum machine sounds.

Most interesting think about DITC is that I have stumbled on drum machines that have factory sound in EPROM – James Brown’s Funky Drummer snare, Joe Tex Papa was too snare drum…

wish is pain