Sampling

i have a question when you sample with the mpc the drums and bass are in the beat i want to know if theres a way to cut that out and get the synth , and is there a way to sample them in sections, like take the piano and the string and seperated them ?

can't do

o ok , i was jus wouderin i thought it cant do that but its cool if it did have that . I see some producers do that tho like take out tha bass and have the synth of the sample with there beat like kanye does it.

only through EQ, you cant chop individual instruments from a sample.

fo real thats sick , where is EQ at , except for tha basics of tha mpc 1k like sequencing and recording ?

seatown350 wrote:fo real thats sick , where is EQ at , except for tha basics of tha mpc 1k like sequencing and recording ?

You can get to it in effects. Or you can do it through software if you chop your sample on your comp in most audio applications. Or you can use an outboard eq if you record directly into your mpc from your turntable/mixer.

Good luck in isolating seperate instruments through EQ. It´s virtually impossible, even for experienced engineers. You might be very lucky if you have a sparse arrangement with instruments occupying very narrow and non overlapping frequencies.
To filter away drums to get a clean synthsample is a no try, drums cover the whole frequency range, from the kick in the bottom to the cymbals in the top, in between you´ve got snare and toms.
The drums are also very rhythmic (duh!) which makes them even harder to hide, a more static or droning instrument could be partially masked by placing other samples in the same range above of it.

Take some time to read about mixing, learn about the audible frequency range and try to visual a mix or song in a two dimensional graph and you´ll see how sounds interact and their realtions within a mix. It´ll give you a better understanding on how to create tight, full sounding mixes and the problems of dissecting finished mixes to it´s individual pieces.

yea i'll do that .

the "can i remove the ___" question always comes at one point in time. when i was 13, i asked a guy in my high school what program i could get that would break an mp3 into all the respective channels, ie drums, guitar, etc etc. hahah if only it was that simple, huh?

ryssen wrote:Good luck in isolating seperate instruments through EQ. It´s virtually impossible, even for experienced engineers. You might be very lucky if you have a sparse arrangement with instruments occupying very narrow and non overlapping frequencies.
To filter away drums to get a clean synthsample is a no try, drums cover the whole frequency range, from the kick in the bottom to the cymbals in the top, in between you´ve got snare and toms.
The drums are also very rhythmic (duh!) which makes them even harder to hide, a more static or droning instrument could be partially masked by placing other samples in the same range above of it.

Take some time to read about mixing, learn about the audible frequency range and try to visual a mix or song in a two dimensional graph and you´ll see how sounds interact and their realtions within a mix. It´ll give you a better understanding on how to create tight, full sounding mixes and the problems of dissecting finished mixes to it´s individual pieces.

Very true. However you can defineatly use it to strengthen a particular sound/instrument. But it is virtually impossible to separate a certain instrument unless you have a very sparce arrangement with intruments using very different parts of the frequency spectrum. Either way, eq is a very useful tool.

Edit-I should have read more closely, i pretty much reiterated what you said :oops:

yea you guys are right , but i really want to learn how to use the EQ.

The key to learning something is trying it, working with it, see what it does in real life. It´s usually a bit easier if you read something about it first, search on the internet on home recording, mixing, equalization.
Below are a few examples on links and tutorials.

http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/news.php?action=view_cat&cat_id=2

http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/bmix/bmix.asp

But remember, it´s a lot of work before you are learn. My advice is to read and try, read and try.
You might not understand what´s it all about when your reading, but terminology and principles stuck in your head and when you try the eq out it suddenly makes sense what the differnt parameters do.

seatown you strike me as a real earnest guy. in most cases i hate earnesty, but you're cool.

eq is fun as hell at first. when i got into engineering, all iwas doing was making the most twaeked out songs. all my samples sounded like SH!T because i would eq em way too much.

honestly, i think that was good, because now i'm a very very conservative eqer by comparison.

experiment first with rolling off the low end and/or the high end of stuff. turn the effect on and off while listening. do you have good moniters/headphones? remember that you're only hearing as accurate a reflection of what's going on in your computer/mpc as your speakers/headphones can tell you.

just practice and play with eq, that's the best way to do it. it's real intuitive (at least when it's on a pc. i never mess with the mpc's eq).

Antonym wrote:just practice and play with eq, that's the best way to do it. it's real intuitive (at least when it's on a pc. i never mess with the mpc's eq).

I would say the same. Especially when learning. Any software eq should be easier to grasp than the mpc's. Plus it's much easier to go back to the originial if need be. When starting to mess with eq, whether it's samples, vocals, or full tracks, be sure to save the originals because you will destroy what ever you are working with at first. I'd defineatly learn eqing on software at first though before you try to mess with either the eq on an mpc (i don't like that it's 4 band), or an outboard eq if you purchace one.

yeah work with a graphic eq if possible, or w/e it's called when there aren't bands but rather a straight line which you can mess with. there's a nice dx one in acid that comes standard. it's good for learning on.

my tip is don't try to tackle compression, panning, and eq all at the same time unless you are a child prodigy. take things real slow and make sure you are good and experienced in em.

at the school i hope to go to next year one of the tests is they play a sample, play it again w/ an eq boost, and play the original again. you have to put what frequency was raised down. REAL good practice, REAL hard to do, but once you learn it you won't forget it. great stuff.