MIDI VS SAMPLING...

whats up?

ive got an mpc 2000 which i love. ive been sampling and making beats that way for a bit now and i know the machine pretty well.

ive decided to get a keyboard (motif 6) to try something new and to have more sounds easily available.

here is my issue...i dont know if i like the midi way of doing things with the MPC. ultimately, i feel like i dont have control over the sounds like i did if i just have them saved on a pad from a sample. i like the ease of copying a sound, adjusting the delay/attack, and messing with the other little adjustments that the MPC has.

my question is... can these functions still be used if i was using midi sounds from the motif?? or are they useless at that point?

I use some outboard gear and i ALWAYS sample. Much easier, much more comfortable. I dont do none of that midi shit.

There is not a lot you can do to edit sounds of external MIDI gear from the MPC. But the MIDI module you are using has so much more than the MPC has when it comes to changing the way a synth patch sounds.

Why not connect the Motif to your MPC and sample the sounds and edit them in the MPC. Seems simple to me......cats like Evidence either use the MPC or ASR for everything, not inbetween

Ive steered away from midi keyboards. Only time Ill use it is with a autochromatic program

thematterlp wrote:Why not connect the Motif to your MPC and sample the sounds and edit them in the MPC. Seems simple to me......cats like Evidence either use the MPC or ASR for everything, not inbetween

theres part of the problem. i have been doing that, it works great for drums and percussion, but if i want to add something (like strings or so), it is impossible to match up (timing wise) and doesnt sound natural. whereas the midi setup, lets you record as you are playing on the motif 6.

see my dilemma????

max90 wrote:

thematterlp wrote:Why not connect the Motif to your MPC and sample the sounds and edit them in the MPC. Seems simple to me......cats like Evidence either use the MPC or ASR for everything, not inbetween

theres part of the problem. i have been doing that, it works great for drums and percussion, but if i want to add something (like strings or so), it is impossible to match up (timing wise) and doesnt sound natural. whereas the midi setup, lets you record as you are playing on the motif 6.

see my dilemma????

Once you've got the MPC setup with the keyboard it becomes really easy.
You'll have to learn quite a bit about the motif to get going but once you get it down you won't look back.
It was named the "Midi production centre" for a reason!

Basically any MPC Has a severely stripped down sampler. If you work with a true sampler ie S6000, S3000, Emu E4xt ect, the sound editing and control is much deeper. For some people they do not need that depth and an MPC can be the only unit they use. For Hip Hop I can see that . But when you enter other realms of electronic music where sound texture is the main focus of the music only an MPC can be fairly limiting. I use an MPC 3000 with 12 different Rack modules for individual textures and control and it is great. I also use an MPC 2000xl by itself alot of the time for Hip Hop Production but for Drum and Bass/ Dance I could not see myself strictly on an MPC. It is all a matter of what you plan to do and how quickly you can get your head around gear without stunting your creativity. I have been a MIDI head for around 10 years and I personally can manuver through most MIDI rack modules without even picking up a manual as most of the parameters are universal. That took alot of time and frustration to do and if you do not have alot of paitence MIDI may not be your cup of tea.

midi is the $h1t. The only thing thats useless, is the sequencer on your keyboard when you have the mpc.

MPZ60 wrote:
Basically any MPC Has a severely stripped down sampler.

Including or excluding the MPC 4000??

Excluding the 4000, forgot..... But correct me if I am wrong is it not as deep as a Z8 or is it?

The 4000 and the Z8 are practically identical.

you can always go into the patch settings on the module/synth and mess around with the settings there. they have settings like attack and lfo settings and all types of things so you can tweak your sounds. i dont think you will be held back.

a module/synth along with sampling can turn out some nice tunes.

I use A good Deal of soft synths (sampletank, reason, GB, Logic 7, etc..) but i ALWAYS Sample.Even if i make a whole beat in a soft synth i sample it in my MP just to give it that "Dirt". I think its true that it does sound unnatural but i do hip-hop so i need that raw feeling. Synths are so Clean to me it takes away that "feeling of Creation" and gives it a
"feeling of Re-Creation"

Synth is short for Synthetic

i thought it was short for Synthesizer or Synthesized