It's easter! free vintage beatbox samples for you!

i love how zero g's header makes it clear that they are DIGITAL audio samples

as opposed to all those websites that sell/offer analog audio samples.

zero g is waaaaay ahead of the curve!!

Antonym wrote:i love how zero g's header makes it clear that they are DIGITAL audio samples

as opposed to all those websites that sell/offer analog audio samples.

zero g is waaaaay ahead of the curve!!

Serious? Damn, i was just gonna order new magnetic-tapes for my Mellotron from them...

cowbell wrote:Steve, i don't understand this copyright thing with Zero-G. How can they own copyrights of sounds from Roland, Yamaha, Korg, etc? I'm not being sarcastic, just curious.

No ... that's ok.

As Mart says, they own the copyright on the 'sounds'.... the programming, the looping and trimming and optimisation... the program settings that make the sounds playable and any other programming tricks employed and everything that goes to make up that 'package'... the settings used on the original instruments to make the sounds... the work and costs involved in creating and programming and mapping out those sounds for professional use (in total, the whole thing took over four years to create and three months solid Kontakt/Kompakt conversion/programming to make 'Nostalgia' of which these beatboxes are a component part!).

Actual copyright ownership of the raw samples themselves is a grey area it has to be said. However, because all of them are from products that are long discontinued (or their manufacturer has ceased trading), it's not - in practice - an issue.... in fact, I have emails and communications from many of the manufacturers represented (or from individuals and/or family members of those involved in the development of products from extinct manufacturers) expressing their appreciation of my work. As for Zero-G’s (or my) ‘copyright’ of these sounds, however, it is on “my work”.

Of course, it’s a moot point whether someone could masquerade my raw samples (without the associated AKP or MPC1k - whatever - programming and mapping, etc.) as their own. I guess they could and it would be difficult to prove otherwise without some clever digital ‘watermarking’. If they posted them knowing them to be mine yet claiming them to be theirs would be an indication of the threshold level of their moral radar - i.e. low!! At least Mart had the good grace to credit his ‘Easter Bunny’ to Hollow Sun... just a shame about the disparaging comments that accompanied it.


Steve

^^ Thanks for shedding some light on that.

1. The terms and conditions were always clear from Day 1 - that any submissions to HS automatically forfeited any 'copyright' and that HS was free to 'exploit' such material as appropriate.

Kinda like the new terms and agreements of MYSPACE.com

i know its slightly off topic...

myspace owns all your copyright!

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hollowsun wrote:If they posted them knowing them to be mine yet claiming them to be theirs would be an indication of the threshold level of their moral radar - i.e. low!!

well i for one think those vintagebeatbox kind of samplecds have devaluated the original sounds from the original machines and has encouraged the market of vintagedrummachines to be collectorsitems rather than musical instruments.
maybe zeroG should've used those wasted years to actually make some own sounds rather than copy and map other peoples work.
maybe i could agree with you up to a point if the sounds were made on a modularsynth system.
but these sounds... anyone in this forum could've sampled those, probably for free give away to.

talking about moral radar and greyzones huh?
a company like ZeroG should be the first to think about where the samples originally came from.

i don't use SampleCDs with vintage drummachinesounds, and i never will, but if i was, i would never EVER give credit to the sampleCD company.

EVER

RundFyrkant wrote:talking about moral radar and greyzones huh?
a company like ZeroG should be the first to think about where the samples originally came from.

Does "Jungle warefare" and the Amen break samples copyrighted by Zero-G sounds familiar?
Here is a perfect example of a company making some sounds their own eventhough they have no rights on!

hollowsun wrote:As Mart says, they own the copyright on the 'sounds'....Steve

No i didn't say that, they own the copyright on the samples or wav files if you prefer and whatever work they made on them(looping normalizing etc...) not the sounds, big difference.

hollowsun wrote:just a shame about the disparaging comments that accompanied it.

Steve

Please get over it, my comment would have been really disparaging if i had added that you made a unfair profit out of other's contribution and take all the credit for making that library.
Which is by the way something that "unaware" people could legetimatly think hence the vitriol you were talking about.
But you "adressed that issue" on your own initiative btw, and we have no reason not to beleive you.
I have much respect for the fact that you made those libraries available for free during 4 years at your own costs and I admitted I made a mistake out of ignorance saying that you joined the dark side of capitalism (what have i said!) and i apologised when i realised my mistake and realised you were a person and not a business. what else do you need? so please hang off my nuts!

mart1 wrote:No i didn't say that, they own the copyright on the samples or wav files if you prefer and whatever work they made on them(looping normalizing etc...) not the sounds, big difference.

Fair point and the one I qualified in my earlier reply to cowbell.


Steve

mart1 wrote:Please get over it,

I am

mart1 wrote:my comment would have been really disparaging if i had added that you made a unfair profit out of other's contribution and take all the credit for making that library.

Two points...

1 - As I mentioned before... in most cases, all I received were a bunch of raw samples - I did everything else... the trimming, looping, mapping, programming, etc., not to mention the (often extensive) instrument description/history on the website. So (and with all respect to them), they'd spend - what - half an hour getting some raw samples to me and I could spend 4 or 5 days sorting them all out for release!! Not always, of course, and some donors did supply 'ready-to-go' material which they had created on their S5/6k or Z4/8 but mostly that wasn't the case.

2 - I have never taken any credit for any donations. In fact, of you visit the Nostalgia pages I did to support the product (*), you will see that the 'donations' are clearly separated and the donors are all credited on each page (unless they wanted - for whatever reason - to remain anonymous). Neither have I ever mentioned who, in most cases, did the work on those donations - I have handed over all 'glory' to the donors including links to their websites where applicable. Furthermore, if you read the documentation that comes with Nostalgia, you will see that all contributors are listed "with grateful thanks". If I were being underhanded in any way about this, I think I would suppress all that and really take all the credit myself.

(*) Those instrument descriptions/histories are, BTW, used in many music tech courses in colleges and universities around the world for which I take no payment or (even credit) incidentally.

But it's a funny old world tho - it's almost always the donors who let me know of any possible 'infringement' they might find on the net (such as the scumbags who downloaded all my stuff when it was free and then sold it as their own on eBay!)!! Furthermore, it has typically been the most generous donors who have been the first in the queue to buy my CDs.

And (you can believe this as you want) - when some of the 'friends of HS' knew I was making 'Nostalgia', some offered more samples for inclusion!

As for profit, I have yet to make any - not even covered costs and I doubt I ever will!!

mart1 wrote:i apologised when i realised my mistake and realised you were a person and not a business. what else do you need?

Nothing! The matter's over as far as I am concerned and it certainly wasn't my intention to spark the whole debate off again in my closing sentence so my apologies for that.

mart1 wrote:so please hang off my nuts!

Eeeeeeew - that's a mental image we could all do without


Steve

Alright so no more hard feeling then! as for "hang off my nuts" that's what i found being the closest from a french saying...pretty graphic i have to admit

Can i take the oportunity to say thanks for the beatbox samples, so i i'm not part anymore of the 99.9% of the people that didn't.

cheers!

Amen ©

when i was 17 i stumbled across hollowsun. at the time, i found all my samples by searching the internet and downloading samples. as you can imagine, this gave me a bunch of really bad samples.

however, hollowsun was the pinnacle of well trimmed, good samples. hollowsun is the first reason why i got interested in drum machines.

i've been waiting for the perfect moment to go from an intense accoustic drum programming session to a breakdown where i drag out those mattel samples and really go nuts.

anyway, i am pretty damn surprised to see steve in hollowsun form again. like others, thanks for the service your provided. it was pretty selfless. your story should be known.

i for one call for a movie about hollowsun, featuring Jack Nicholson as steve.

we can call it "The Shining."

Antonym wrote:i for one call for a movie about hollowsun, featuring Jack Nicholson as steve.

we can call it "The Shining."

Nym, you'll be Danny boy.