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By jahrome Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:38 pm
Everytime I hear the argument about the sound of MPCs...I like to add my two cents. Forget what you hear about the warmth of this machine or that. All sorts of MPCs were used in a lot of music you hear today. You cannot tell which MPC was used on which track. Its impossible.

Hands down...the 2500 over the 3000. I do love the way Akai built the 3000..but feature wise, it is not really a choice. Forget any bells or whistles. When you talk about standard everyday used features...the 2500 has over a dozen functions that are better.

ByRed_Dragon Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:46 pm
jahrome wrote:Everytime I hear the argument about the sound of MPCs...I like to add my two cents. Forget what you hear about the warmth of this machine or that. All sorts of MPCs were used in a lot of music you hear today. You cannot tell which MPC was used on which track. Its impossible.

Hands down...the 2500 over the 3000. I do love the way Akai built the 3000..but feature wise, it is not really a choice. Forget any bells or whistles. When you talk about standard everyday used features...the 2500 has over a dozen functions that are better.


I agree 100%!
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By No Comp Music Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:43 pm
Yeah, I agree the 2500 is worth the money bro! I haven't stopped using it- it's amazing! :D
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By THE ADVERSARY Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:27 am
jaydaniels wrote:I GOT ANOTHER DEBATE ON MY HANDS. IM TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE MPC 2500 OR THE MPC 3000.I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE 3000 BUT IT LACKS SOME FEATURES THE 2500 HAS THAT I WANT.WELL IM OFFICALLY STUCK WITH MY DECISION SO ADVICE IS WELCOMED


Forget all the nonsense posted your answer is in your statement.
If you love the sound of the 3k then add a full sampler and be done.
You will then have the features and sound.
If you go the other route then you will have the features but not the sound.
You will then spend a major portion of your time tweaking sounds trying to get them to sound like that.
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By djdynasty Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:07 pm
Co sign that.

nice wrap up ADVERSARY
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By jahrome Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:10 pm
THE ADVERSARY wrote:
Forget all the nonsense posted your answer is in your statement.
If you love the sound of the 3k then add a full sampler and be done.
You will then have the features and sound.
If you go the other route then you will have the features but not the sound.
You will then spend a major portion of your time tweaking sounds trying to get them to sound like that.


The answer is in his statement. If the 3000 only has a particular sound but the 2500 has multiple features he wants/needs...then the 2500 is the logical choice.

Unless I am mistaken, he didn't say that he needed a full sampler. But if he wanted to go that route, he could easily pick up a S1000/3000.....very much similar to the sound of the MPC 60/3000. Very cheap these days. You would then have a full sampler w/ that 'sound' and one of the best hardware sampling/drum machine/sequencers available today.

If he decides to only get a 2500...he will not be spending any more time tweaking sounds than any other MPC. Don't be fooled....
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By THE ADVERSARY Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:54 pm
jahrome wrote: If he decides to only get a 2500...he will not be spending any more time tweaking sounds than any other MPC. Don't be fooled....



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By jahrome Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:45 am
THE ADVERSARY wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well...ok. But.....

THE ADVERSARY wrote:
If you love the sound of the 3k then add a full sampler and be done.
You will then have the features and sound.


What features will he get by adding a full sampler? The features specific to the MPC 2500 is what I believe he is looking for.....
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By young_keyz Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:05 pm
yea i would get the 2500 and a s3000. That will give you great features plus the sound of the machine you like so much.

ByRed_Dragon Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:10 pm
young_keyz wrote:yea i would get the 2500 and a s3000. That will give you great features plus the sound of the machine you like so much.


Wow!

I thought the s1000/1100 has the sound of the 3000 and the s2000/3000 the mpc 2000 sound. :x

By earwolf Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:34 pm
triggering samples via midi just aint the same as triggering internally. if elma was here i have a feeling he may repeat the astute observation that there is much inspiration to be gained the aesthetics/ergonomics of equipment. the sp is a design classic, its also a tank, and simple as all hell, limitations often aid creativity etc blah brian eno wooden end cheeks...
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By jahrome Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:28 am
earwolf wrote:
triggering samples via midi just aint the same as triggering internally. if elma was here i have a feeling he may repeat the astute observation that there is much inspiration to be gained the aesthetics/ergonomics of equipment. the sp is a design classic, its also a tank, and simple as all hell, limitations often aid creativity etc blah brian eno wooden end cheeks...


Here we go.......

So, triggering a MIDI sound module/sampler using the MPC is quite different them triggering sounds in the MPC internally?

Red_Dragon wrote:
Wow!

I thought the s1000/1100 has the sound of the 3000 and the s2000/3000 the mpc 2000 sound.


You thought or know for a fact?

But a quick Akai time line, which may or may not mean anything:

1986 S900
1988 MPC 60
1988 S1000
1990 S1100
1991 MPC 60 II
1994 MPC 3000
1995 S2000
1996 S3000
1997 MPC 2000

By earwolf Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:41 am
jahrome wrote:So, triggering a MIDI sound module/sampler using the MPC is quite different them triggering sounds in the MPC internally?


with regards to timing, yes, absolutely
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By jahrome Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:50 pm
earwolf posted:
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Originally posted by jahrome:
So, triggering a MIDI sound module/sampler using the MPC is quite different them triggering sounds in the MPC internally?
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with regards to timing, yes, absolutely


The MPC line is the best hardware MIDI sequencers on the planet. There is no..I repeat..no timing issues when using it with MIDI sound modules. Take your pick...MPC 2000, 2000XL, 2500, or 3000. All solid in this regard from my experiences.

I am curious to know what you are talking about. There is no difference in timing whether I use internal drum sounds or sounds from external gear.

By earwolf Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:00 pm
jahrome wrote:The MPC line is the best hardware MIDI sequencers on the planet. There is no..I repeat..no timing issues when using it with MIDI sound modules. Take your pick...MPC 2000, 2000XL, 2500, or 3000. All solid in this regard from my experiences.

I am curious to know what you are talking about. There is no difference in timing whether I use internal drum sounds or sounds from external gear.


That is your experience, your ear, for the purposes of the music that you make.

I am only interested in facts, so I offer this:

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How Simultaneous Can Two MIDI Notes Be?
or
Time Is Nature's Way of Keeping Everything from Happening At Once

MIDI data sent on a MIDI cable are transmitted as serial data. A sequence of ones and zeros tells your drum machine to "play the sidestick on channel 3 mezzo forte." It takes a bit of time to transmit those ones and zeros. More important, all the information for one note must be transmitted before the next note can begin.
What is the delay between two "simultaneous" MIDI notes on a single cable? For those who just want the facts, the answer is 960 microseconds for ordinary Note On events or 640 microseconds for Running Status Note On events.
How do we get these numbers? Get out your calculator and follow along. The first thing to know is that MIDI data are transmitted at 31250 bits per second, also called 31.25 KiloBaud. (This peculiar number happens to be 1/16th of 1,000,000 cycles per second. Many early computers had built-in crystal oscillators running at this frequency; this was an easy frequency to derive.)
Each byte of MIDI date requires 10 bits of serial data. The byte is transmitted with one start bit, eight bits of real data, and one stop bit. The start and stop bits are needed to tell the receiving circuitry "here comes some data," and "that was the end of the data." At a rate of 31,250 bits per second, we can send 3,125 (31,250/10) of these "MIDI bytes" per second.
To send one Note On message requires three MIDI bytes. The first byte says that this is a Note On event and specifies which channel (1-16). The second byte says which key number is to be played. The third byte specifies the velocity. We can send 1042 (3,125/3) such Note On messages per second.
But we promised to tell you the duration of each Note On message, not the number of messages per second. This is easy: 1/1042 messages per second = .00096 seconds per message. In technospeak, this is .96 milliseconds, or 960 microseconds per Note On message.
MIDI does offer a slight speed improvement through Running Status messages. After sending a normal three-byte Note On message, a sequencer can send additional key number/velocity messages, omitting the first byte of an ordinary Note On message. For a string of notes that all occur on the same channel, this reduces the number of MIDI bytes per Note On message from three to two. We can send 1563 (3,125/2) Running Status Note On messages per second, which corresponds to .00064 (1/1563) seconds, .64 milliseconds, or 640 microseconds per message.
The bottom line is that for MIDI data running on a single MIDI cable imposes an absolute "speed limit" of about 1000 Note On messages per second, or 1500 Note On messages when Running Status is in effect. This number gets worse with other MIDI data, such as aftertouch and controller information. Your actual mileage may vary.
- Robert Poor
Director of Research and Development
Opcode Systems, Inc.

By Daniel C. Cantor, with Mark Weltner
Notable Productions@1994

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