Ways of laying a track out

punchdrunk wrote:

solah wrote:if people have never tooken a music class or played an instrument then they cant really make tight music.

this is one of the dumbest things i've ever read in this forum.

haha yeah. but if people never readed a book or taked a class they couldn't write good neither...

music theory is no joke...math makes all the stuff work good, and our brains like it when it all adds up right? ...music training is just like all other schooling though, aka don't forget yourself... drum- and rhythm-based music is still called "primitive," where melody madness euro is "classical" and "intricate." F that. Make it bang!

drum- and rhythm-based music is still called "primitive," where melody madness euro is "classical" and "intricate." F that.

isn't that hilarious? it never ceases to make me laugh. rhythm based music discovered syncopation and swing

if you tried to imagine the world with neither of the above, it would be cold, dry, and anglo saxon

i'd like to keep this thread alive for a while longer. if you haven't already, please post something here.

well, i've said this in another thread, nothing revolutionary, but here goes:

once you have a loop going, be it 2 ,4 or 8 bars or whatever, learn to play each track, and then record each track for a much longer period of time, ie 90 bars or something like that. the benefit is twofold: you learn to play your mpc/keys better, and you learn to be able to make change ups etc 'on the fly' as it were. i find this a much more fluid way of turning a loop into a song, because rather than setting the mpc (or other sequencer) to play the loop over and over, and then thinking of something to go next, then stopping the mpc and changing it etc etc, which is workflow killing, you can make changes as you go, and the changes seem to bind together much better if you do them live.

of course, if you're completely looped sample based then you're in trouble, but then you weren't really going anywhere anyway were you??

peace and hope this helps.

Nice tip Mr Modnar, that makes alot of sense.
More room for "happy accidents" there too.

Mr modnaR wrote:well, i've said this in another thread, nothing revolutionary, but here goes:

once you have a loop going, be it 2 ,4 or 8 bars or whatever, learn to play each track, and then record each track for a much longer period of time, ie 90 bars or something like that. the benefit is twofold: you learn to play your mpc/keys better, and you learn to be able to make change ups etc 'on the fly' as it were. i find this a much more fluid way of turning a loop into a song, because rather than setting the mpc (or other sequencer) to play the loop over and over, and then thinking of something to go next, then stopping the mpc and changing it etc etc, which is workflow killing, you can make changes as you go, and the changes seem to bind together much better if you do them live.

of course, if you're completely looped sample based then you're in trouble, but then you weren't really going anywhere anyway were you??

peace and hope this helps.

I agree eith you here, something i still need to learn to though

i also like muting pads in track mute to get ideas of where is the best place to bring some sounds in , i started as a DJ and this is a more natural way for me to play with ideas, but as for arranging on the 1000 i need alot of work still i havent found my flow with it as far as arranging tracks goes

solah wrote: if people have never tooken a music class or played an instrument then they cant really make tight music.

Wut the fuk are u talking about son?

Jacpot wrote:

solah wrote: if people have never tooken a music class or played an instrument then they cant really make tight music.

Wut the fuk are u talking about son?

I have to disagree with that right there..

Fruity is easy for ALOT to people and I've heard some bangers on fruity
from cats that have never taken a music class more less know how to play an instrument.

Even on the 2k stand alone, I've met some cats that would most likely imo "hurt some peoples feelings" with beats and such, same story, never had a music class or played any instrument.

On the flip side:
I've met a few who have been in a few music classes, know how to read music but still don't have the creativity or imagination to make good music.

Never a truer word Lampdog. "It's what you do with it".
But to make music that bangs AND has emotion EVERY TIME
I feel you need to study in one way or another. That study could be anything
from going to theory class, learning piano to listening to s**t loads of good music, or DJ'ing regularly (study of the dancefloor)
Learning an instrument or theory or both will undoubtably give you the edge if you're already down on the beats and the vibes.

Lampdog wrote:

Jacpot wrote:

solah wrote: if people have never tooken a music class or played an instrument then they cant really make tight music.

Wut the fuk are u talking about son?

I have to disagree with that right there..

Fruity is easy for ALOT to people and I've heard some bangers on fruity
from cats that have never taken a music class more less know how to play an instrument.

Even on the 2k stand alone, I've met some cats that would most likely imo "hurt some peoples feelings" with beats and such, same story, never had a music class or played any instrument.

On the flip side:
I've met a few who have been in a few music classes, know how to read music but still don't have the creativity or imagination to make good music.

true, i strayed away from my point i think. I think my point was, if people are not "smart" enough or have the ability to sit and learn the MPC without asking for help will never really learn, they will just be told what to do. I think i was talking about taking the Initiative to figure something out for yourself instead of going somewhere for help, it just makes me look like a lil kid if i were to ask for help on the "simplist" im talking "SIMPLIST" things. From assinging stuff to pads, loading a sample, or even recording a sample. Some people just have the logic and the ability to put things togather without instructions and some dont.

If you dont have the knowledge about measures and rhythem and timing, you cant make music. Wether you learned it in a class or figured it out yourself.

punchdrunk wrote:

solah wrote:if people have never tooken a music class or played an instrument then they cant really make tight music.

this is one of the dumbest things i've ever read in this forum.

maybe you havnt noticed the forums littered with HELP in the titles.

why does this thread have to turn into bullshit again

who cares what you know or not, old news argument this

you don't need a music class thats true

till you want to make music with musicians who plays instruments!

i've been working with a bass gitar player and a sologitarist and i just didnt understand what they asked me

so i will go and learn the musical language and how to read music

solah wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

solah wrote:if people have never tooken a music class or played an instrument then they cant really make tight music.

this is one of the dumbest things i've ever read in this forum.

maybe you havnt noticed the forums littered with HELP in the titles.

no, i actually have.

no, it actaully goes to shiet when people say it does, just because i was commenting doesnt mean i wass "beefing" or "arguing" for the sake of ruinin shiet. Its a debate, debates get heated but its all good, im not going to get butthurt and puppy peoples emotions when i speak, imma go all out. So if i can excuse myself......I have to leave.