Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000
By Kil Thu May 18, 2006 1:59 am
I was thinking about the SP-1200 and the drums which to me are the best in hip hop hands down and I remember an article in wax poetics about Pete Rock giving up the SP for the Mpc2000xl and he said "The SP has a heavier sound for drums than the MPC I found. And the SP, for me, when I'm eqing it's more hip hop. It's stronger. Working with the MP, it's a little bit thinner. But the MP is dope, because it does more to make up for the loss." But with the resampling feature on the MP, can you get your drums to sound like a SP's? I was messing around with the resampling feature on the XL just to see but in all honesty I wasn't REALLY hearing a difference in my drums. Is there a trick to this because I'm assuming the reason the resampling feature was added was to try to "dirty it up a little" (like the manual says) or is the moral, the MP's just don't match up to the SP with drums.
By kraster Thu May 18, 2006 3:03 am
Kil wrote:I was thinking about the SP-1200 and the drums which to me are the best in hip hop hands down and I remember an article in wax poetics about Pete Rock giving up the SP for the Mpc2000xl and he said "The SP has a heavier sound for drums than the MPC I found. And the SP, for me, when I'm eqing it's more hip hop. It's stronger. Working with the MP, it's a little bit thinner. But the MP is dope, because it does more to make up for the loss." But with the resampling feature on the MP, can you get your drums to sound like a SP's? I was messing around with the resampling feature on the XL just to see but in all honesty I wasn't REALLY hearing a difference in my drums. Is there a trick to this because I'm assuming the reason the resampling feature was added was to try to "dirty it up a little" (like the manual says) or is the moral, the MP's just don't match up to the SP with drums.




The sp1200 was designed in 1987. At that time 16-bit samplers were selling for $10,000. It was simply more cost effective for EMU to bump down the sample rate and the bit depth to squeeze more sample time into the machine.
If something is twelve-bit it will sound distorted and crunchy if there aren't enough digital bits to represent differences in volume in the audio sample. Halving the sample rate to 22,000 means that the highest frequency you can play back is about 10khz. Most people can hear up to about 16khz-17khz. So the Sp1200 sounds Bassier and smoother because of the lack of the top frequencies and crunchy because of the low bit rate. What other people might call dull and distorted!

If you want that kind of sound you could use something like sound-forge or wavelab and do all your downsampling/bit reduction because it takes forever to resample on the MPC.

But it probably won't sound the same as the SP. Internally the EMU and AKAI stuff would be quite different in the analoge stages of each machine. This is the part of the sampler that turns the digital data into stuff we can hear. This analog stage is really importrant in the overall colour of the sound of the machine.

I think that it's ultimately a question of character. The SP1200 will always have a certain sound because of the design limitations of the era it was built in. Same with MPC 60. The MPC 2000 onwards has less of a character because its sampler is more advanced and performs more accurately. What you get out of the MPC is more or less what you put into it soundwise. It definitely has a character but it's less easy to pin down.

There's a quote that's appropriate. I think it was by Robert Moog: "let machines sing in their own voices"
Let the MPC sound like itself and it'll work perfectly. The MPC is more than capable of delivering the goods. It can do everything and a whole lot more than the SP1200. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what Pete Rock thinks of it. It's what you think of it that counts.

By Kil Thu May 18, 2006 4:06 am
I feel you fam, I mean I do agree with Pete that no machine has the drums of the SP-1200...I was just asking with the resampling function of the MPCxl could you get you drums to sound dirtier because when I've tried (keep in mind I'm only 2 months in on the MPC) the resampled kick, snare, hihat don't sound much if any different from the original sampled kick, snare, hihat....Like I said I assume that's the reason why akai put this function into the XL because cats with the 2000 were saying it sounded too clean ....have you used the resampling feature? And if so do your drums sound "dirtier"? And how did you freak it?
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By bicedidit Thu May 18, 2006 1:53 pm
resample sounds pretty good, definitely dirtier, but try to only resample mono sounds. if ur resampling stereo sounds--u could literally roll and smoke an L before the mpc is done resampling--it takes that long.
just out of curiosity, y didnt u try to resample before u posted this thread?

By kraster Thu May 18, 2006 3:34 pm
Kil wrote:I feel you fam, I mean I do agree with Pete that no machine has the drums of the SP-1200...I was just asking with the resampling function of the MPCxl could you get you drums to sound dirtier because when I've tried (keep in mind I'm only 2 months in on the MPC) the resampled kick, snare, hihat don't sound much if any different from the original sampled kick, snare, hihat....Like I said I assume that's the reason why akai put this function into the XL because cats with the 2000 were saying it sounded too clean ....have you used the resampling feature? And if so do your drums sound "dirtier"? And how did you freak it?


Changing the sample rate might not change that much. Changing the Bit depth is more noticeable. That's where you get yor grittiness.
The effect of changing the sample rate will only affect really bright sounds. A kick drum might not contain that much High end energy so you won't hear the difference that much.
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By Lampdog Thu May 18, 2006 6:17 pm
bicedidit wrote:just out of curiosity, y didnt u try to resample before u posted this thread?


Alot of cats do that here and I don't know why?

They have the tools right there, try it.
By Kil Thu May 18, 2006 6:47 pm
My quote...."I was just asking with the resampling function of the MPCxl could you get you drums to sound dirtier BECAUSE WHEN I TRIED (keep in mind I'm only 2 months in on the MPC) the resampled kick, snare, hihat don't sound much if any different from the original sampled kick, snare, hihat...."

By fade502 Thu May 18, 2006 9:03 pm
When I dropped the bit depth of my samples... they sounded much different. Not as much punch as a SP, but so what in my opinion. If I am looking for dirty, I eq, layer and distort onthe cpu first. Just me.