Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
By jontakiff Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:32 pm
Okay, this is for people who are in the situation where you have your mpc, a mixer, maybe a keyboard or module or two and are frustrated with the sound, and maybe have a couple bucks to spend. I used to think if I sampled good sounding drums off records, I'd get the same sound as the record, but I found out it doesn't work like that. When you sample sounds and then re-record them, there is a lot lost in the process. First you're converting the sounds into the mpc, so you lose quality there, then re-recording again - more quality loss. Not to mention if you're sampling off a record player with a crappy cartridge and crappy preamp. And also, you lose a lot of the subtle effects (mostly reverbs) that make the drums sit so well together. I'd advise anyone looking to up the level of their productions to look at picking up one or two nice pieces of outboard gear (preamps, compressors, eq's, reverb, etc.) rather than run out to buy a bunch of keyboards, modules, etc. Not that having a motif isn't cool - it's just that, realize that every motif sound you hear on the radio has been run through a nice preamp, or compressor, efx, eq, etc. Plus, the motif will be old news in 18 months. (is anyone sweating buying a korg trinity?) A nice piece of outboard gear won't go out of style.

Some will say they can get that big league sound with an mpc and mackie or digi 002 or whatever. I don't buy it. I hear some good stuff on these boards, and I'm not saying you NEED outboard gear, or that you can't be creative without it (you can be creative with two boomboxes) but when you hear something on the radio where the snare sounds like a lethal weapon and the kick drum sounds like Zeus is throwing thunderbolts from Mt. Olympus understand you're not going to get that sound just cause you have the same module the sound came from.

If you can't afford this stuff, do yourself a favor and take some of your best beats and maybe rent out 4 hours at a high level studio. Watch what they use and how it affects the sound. Make sure you're working with someone who knows how to mix your type of music. okay, enough ranting for now.

By Toecutter Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:47 am
I am definitley feeling what you said about "if you're using a crappy turntable with a crappy cartridge and a crappy preamp"... at first I got the most horrible signal to my sampler... I upgraded to a new numark mixer and a stanton cartridge and it was 100% better.
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By binger0 Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:00 am
You also meet people in good studios that can show you how to beef up your sounds and techniques. I think that the professional studio is a great learning experience. Its great to get in at a studio where artists that u dig record there ish. The engineers could tell you a little sumthin about what theyre doin. Sometimes.
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By FLUENT Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:57 am
true indeed jonta, im still in the market for some good outboard fx...definitely rearranged my budget to make room for some good compressors and what not...oh and i just learned that PRAH is really pete rock. WORD? i must be slow, but i never saw that post about it, i thought Prah was just a pete rock fan, so i gotta big up my man, one time i felt lazy and sampled a drum from the true master remix, but yo, ill give it back when im done with it...p rock moderating the mpc boards? ill shhhh
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By Gambles Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:35 pm
FLUENT wrote:oh and i just learned that PRAH is really pete rock. WORD? i must be slow, but i never saw that post about it, i thought Prah was just a pete rock fan, so i gotta big up my man


Is this true Prah?


Uno/1 :shock:
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By FLUENT Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:19 pm
nah, its not...my mistake, i misread what someone had posted in the off topic forum...read that dudes link up there ^^^

By LSA100X Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:20 pm
your first thing should be to get a "good" turntable, with a "good" cartridge" and a "good" mixer...and plug it all into a makie or beringer board.....the mpc is just a sampler...garbage in garbage out...by your own description of the problem you're feeding it garbage while wondering why garbage is coming out...make sure your getting a good hot crisp signal and sample as flat as possible unless you're lookin for a specific effect(it's easier to add eq and effects later). Good monitors are also needed...because bad speakers can fool you into thinking your hearing soomething that isn't there....then...after u get all the right equipment...you have to "master" the sound of your system...which means basically mixing on your system by trial and error until u get it to sound ok...if u can't do all of this...u gotta go to a pro....

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