Whoa,
just bumped into this thread for the 1st time.
Nice!
I agree it's horses for courses.
Generally though, your drums and bass should only be in mono.
And as far as stereo drumbreaks and loops, that's cool, but as several have mentioned, it's often better to use one side then tailor mix it / spread it out in your daw later, in the long run. If I want heavy beats I usually go mono and chop stuff tight and normalized. Then add some stereo-ness using discreet reverbs later.
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By orjanbeats
Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:00 pm
dbz wrote:when in slice mode, hit edit and extract the current slice.
this will keep the sample in stereo.
you have to do it once for each slice though.
i often convert the whole lot to a mono program and extract any others i want in stereo as well.
Great tip! It always annoyed me that the slice function converted to mono, this method is a great work-around. Thanks!
By DJ-T
Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:38 pm
Mr modnaR wrote:DJ-T wrote:when sampling in stereo,understand that this Frequency is higher in modulation (Stereo), than (Mono)amplitude modulation. This is were you get the AM Radio (mono sound) and FM (Stereo sound) So the two are different in sounding. It's just hard sometimes for the ear to hear unless .
Listen to a AM Station, Sounds are more muffled. Listen to FM Station,and sounds is alot clearer and cleaner. Without getting so Techky
completely and utterly unrelated topics.
AM stands for Amplitude Modulation. this is where the carrier wave (which is a radio wave - inaudible as it is an electromagnetic wave, not a sound wave) is modulated in level (or amplitude, hence the name) according to the signal level of the voice/music/whatever you hear on the radio.
FM stands for Frequency Modulation. this is where the carrier wave is modulated in frequency according to the input signal's level.
the only reason FM is in stereo is because you can get more bandwidth with frequency modulation as it is less affected by the level of the carrier wave signal. AM on the other hand works by definition using the level of the carrier wave, so they made it mono to get a decent, audible signal.
sorry for that, just had to put you straight.
lol, so I take it that you went to Broadcasting school to?
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By DJ-T
Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:41 pm
Mod, I jus like to mess with you personally, cuz you sound like that cat from : A beautiful Mind.
I know about that mono,and stereo stuff.
I know about that mono,and stereo stuff.
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By Balls
Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:10 pm
Antonym wrote:You gonna have to specify that
1st page, first 5 or 6 posts
Still the opposite.. You're talking about making your own stereo in stead of using both channels from what you sample. And you're also saying that it's best to only use the MPC as a "Mono machine" as you called it.
That's not what I was talking about..
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By DJ-T
Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:51 pm
look you can use the MPC as a stereo machine or a mono machine , pending on if you have a mixer. You can send the stereo signal to a mixer's unbalance or balance channel and or use a mono jack or stereo jack to achieve sampling in mono or stereo!.But instead of making such a big issue on whether it's good to sample all samples in mono is crazy! you limit your self to more options in channel mixing. I agree with Balls totally and Quote!
(I sample stereo sources in stereo and Mono's in mono.. I don't see any point in sampling something from a stereo mix to mono, unless you want to sort something out. In that case, ofcourse I understand you. But i dont agree on what you say about sampling everything in mono... That's just not using the machine to the fullest. And you do have more control over a "True" stereotrack in your mix than a mono. You can always convert a stereo track to 2 mono's... It's way more flexible... That's a fact)
(I sample stereo sources in stereo and Mono's in mono.. I don't see any point in sampling something from a stereo mix to mono, unless you want to sort something out. In that case, ofcourse I understand you. But i dont agree on what you say about sampling everything in mono... That's just not using the machine to the fullest. And you do have more control over a "True" stereotrack in your mix than a mono. You can always convert a stereo track to 2 mono's... It's way more flexible... That's a fact)
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By ryssen
Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:11 pm
Balls wrote:But i dont agree on what you say about sampling everything in mono... That's just not using the machine to the fullest.
Depends on where your coming from and where your going. How do you want your tracks to sound? Can you afford to cut polyphony in half? Do you track to DAW with multiple "takes" or do you mix straight up on the boards using multiple outs?
It´s all about how you work and what you want to achieve by working that way.
Balls wrote:And you do have more control over a "True" stereotrack in your mix than a mono.
True stereo are very, very rare in popular music, chances are most stereosamples are actually panned mono. And in my opinion mixing several stereo tracks are less flexible and a bigger hassle than mixing mostly monos.

By Mr modnaR
Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:54 pm
DJ-T wrote:lol, so I take it that you went to Broadcasting school to?
lol, nah just learned how everything works from a young age. well, tried to

By Mr modnaR
Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:56 pm
DJ-T wrote:Mod, I jus like to mess with you personally, cuz you sound like that cat from : A beautiful Mind.![]()
I know about that mono,and stereo stuff.
it's cool bro. i wish i was clever as that chap in a beautiful mind, but unfortunately it's not true.

By Antonym
Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:33 pm
ryssen wrote:Mr modnaR wrote:split the sample into two mono samples...
I´ve seen nym talking about this too
i've been talking about this in other threads, as well as this one
the best part about sampling two monos out of one stereo is that in the daw all you have to do is pan it back to its original placement, one 100% left and the other 100% right
i was ALSO talking about making a stereo out of one mono
but by sampling two monos you wouldn't even have to worry about that
i've been preaching 2 monos for decades, since watergate at least.
if the stereo is worth capturing, my end waves are still mono - the left and right channels of what was once (and may very well be again) stereo. but everything is as broken up as possible.
By DJ-T
Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:16 am
Antonym wrote:ryssen wrote:Mr modnaR wrote:split the sample into two mono samples...
I´ve seen nym talking about this too
i've been talking about this in other threads, as well as this one
the best part about sampling two monos out of one stereo is that in the daw all you have to do is pan it back to its original placement, one 100% left and the other 100% right
i was ALSO talking about making a stereo out of one mono
but by sampling two monos you wouldn't even have to worry about that
i've been preaching 2 monos for decades, since watergate at least.
if the stereo is worth capturing, my end waves are still mono - the left and right channels of what was once (and may very well be again) stereo. but everything is as broken up as possible.
so what's the purpose? your not going to be able to tell the difference accept panning Technic's
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By Antonym
Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:30 am
purpose - chopping within the sampler/control/saving your polyphony if or when necessary

By Antonym
Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:32 am
oops - i didn't mean to move this
i'm pming Lamp to throw this back to the 1k forums - sorry.
i'm pming Lamp to throw this back to the 1k forums - sorry.

