Mpc-5000 at july namm/4000 discontinued??

They will never release another piece of hardware again in my opinion. Hardware era is dead, its all about software now a days. I will stick with my xl though

Jacpot wrote:They will never release another piece of hardware again in my opinion. Hardware era is dead, its all about software now a days. I will stick with my xl though

I think thats wrong.

MPC is hardware and software the same as a computer. The fact that 7/8ths of the world has decided to try and be cheapskates by running cracked music software on their Dell's insted of having to (heaven forbid) shell out the cash for their soft/hardware doesn't mean that the MPC is dead.

There are a lot of people (myself included) that, for whatever reason, have decided to move from computer-based sequencing to hardware-based sequencing.

What WOULD be crazy is Akai maintaining a 5 machine lineup (1000, 2000XL, 2500, 4000, 5000?). In the 'good old days', one machine was enough. If Akai had a look at their market, surely they know that even 4 machines is too many.

nik wrote:

Jacpot wrote:They will never release another piece of hardware again in my opinion. Hardware era is dead, its all about software now a days. I will stick with my xl though

I think thats wrong.

MPC is hardware and software the same as a computer. The fact that 7/8ths of the world has decided to try and be cheapskates by running cracked music software on their Dell's insted of having to (heaven forbid) shell out the cash for their soft/hardware doesn't mean that the MPC is dead.

There are a lot of people (myself included) that, for whatever reason, have decided to move from computer-based sequencing to hardware-based sequencing.

What WOULD be crazy is Akai maintaining a 5 machine lineup (1000, 2000XL, 2500, 4000, 5000?). In the 'good old days', one machine was enough. If Akai had a look at their market, surely they know that even 4 machines is too many.

ok

The MPC4000 is history ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdtzFHoIBg&search=mpc

eh?

Small screen, 16 bit, 44.1.

The 2500 replaces the 200XL, not the 4000.

nik wrote:What WOULD be crazy is Akai maintaining a 5 machine lineup (1000, 2000XL, 2500, 4000, 5000?). In the 'good old days', one machine was enough. If Akai had a look at their market, surely they know that even 4 machines is too many.

I can only count 3 - 1000, 2500 and 4000. They dont sell the 2000xl no more and the "5000" is just a fantasy at the moment.

drumtrack wrote:The MPC4000 is history ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdtzFHoIBg&search=mpc

Glad to hear it! IF enough people feel that way I'll be able to pick up a back up machine cheap

When the 2500 was released you could get used 4k's on eBay for $1100, $1200 and $1300, some were luck and got $1500.
After teh 2500 had been out for a minute the price went back up tp $1800 and higher used.
The 2500 does not replace the 4K, people understand the difference, they just want new features and a little more debugging that's all.

it doesn't matter. it's all about what gets the job done in a time efficient manner. 1k, 2k, 2.5k, 3k, or 4k----take your pick.

cre8tive wrote:it doesn't matter. it's all about what gets the job done in a time efficient manner. 1k, 2k, 2.5k, 3k, or 4k----take your pick.

Exactly. IMHO they are all very good... but the 4000 is king

For the fellas talking about cheap parts.....

The first MPC 2000s were made in Japan. Manufacturing was moved to China (or one of those islands just off of China). Nothing changed with the 2000 when they did that. The XL has practically the same parts and they made it less bulky.

Comparing the 2000, 2000XL, and 2500...can't understand why anyone would think that the quality in hardware has gotten worst.

If Akai still built new MPCs as solid as they did with the MPC 60 and 3000(hardware)...my best guess is that most of you wouldn't be able to afford $3000 plus MPCs. And you mos def wouldn't want to have to glue pads back together with Elmers with such expensive pieces of hardware.

rookie wrote:[...]if it were up to me I would just keep upgrading the 4000 at least to 3.0 before making another maching whose heart and soul is to sample and sequence.if they would add some of the feature's we requested I won't need a 5k.

Which is probably exactly why they won't keep developing new OS's for that long. Akai (or Numark) are businesses who need to make some money to keep doing what they do.

Of course Akai could (but this won't happen) sell 3rd parties licences to develop for the MPC family whilst they build new machines...

nik wrote:What WOULD be crazy is Akai maintaining a 5 machine lineup (1000, 2000XL, 2500, 4000, 5000?). In the 'good old days', one machine was enough. If Akai had a look at their market, surely they know that even 4 machines is too many.

I think this can only mean one thing: the 2000xl is out.
And the 4000 will be eventually if they ever decide to make a 5000.

I kind of 'predicted' and wished for a 2500 right after the 1000 came out (including the version number and most of the features). I still feel the gap between the 2500 and the 4000 is too large, specs-wise and it will certainly be if and when a 5000 hits the shelves and the 1000 is too close (especially with the 3rd party os) to the 2500.

It seems though that the processor of the 2500 is the same as the 1000 (from what I read) so it's going to be pretty tough to upgrade the 2500 to something closer to the 4000....

Bazziman wrote:
I think this can only mean one thing: the 2000xl is out.
And the 4000 will be eventually if they ever decide to make a 5000.

I kind of 'predicted' and wished for a 2500 right after the 1000 came out (including the version number and most of the features). I still feel the gap between the 2500 and the 4000 is too large, specs-wise and it will certainly be if and when a 5000 hits the shelves and the 1000 is too close (especially with the 3rd party os) to the 2500.

It seems though that the processor of the 2500 is the same as the 1000 (from what I read) so it's going to be pretty tough to upgrade the 2500 to something closer to the 4000....

I don't believe the MPC 2000XL will be 'out' unless Akai finally fixes the few remaining issues with the MPC 2500s OS 1.21.

Many MPC users wanted an MPC like the 2500 since 1997..one that was similar to the MPC 3000 and builds on the functions of the MPC 2000XL. In regards to the MPC 4000...it's full fledge sampler is the main function which seperates it from the 2500. While this function produces a gap bewteen the MPC 4000 and MPC 2500...it's something that pleases many of us long time users who don't want/need that in an MPC.

jahrome wrote:I don't believe the MPC 2000XL will be 'out' unless Akai finally fixes the few remaining issues with the MPC 2500s OS 1.21.

From a current users point of view, you're right. But from a commercial point of view I don't see why Akai should keep manufacturing the 2000xl...how many of those are they still selling (new)?

In regards to the MPC 4000...it's full fledge sampler is the main function which seperates it from the 2500.

That is a huge thing (add to that the big screen and the better filters, fx and 24/96 sampling)

While this function produces a gap bewteen the MPC 4000 and MPC 2500...it's something that pleases many of us long time users who don't want/need that in an MPC.

Sure. I understand, I think though that (especially with the mpc's 3rd party os) the gaps between the 2500 and the 4000 are to big compared to that between the 2500 and the 1000. I could be wrong of course, but a larger screen or just 24/96 capabilities or something that made the 2500 stick out more would have helped the 2500 fit the gap between 4000 and 1000 a bit better. I feel the 2500 is still somewhat underpowered (especially compared to the 1000)

Of course this is reasoned from a marketing perspective; the 2500 is probably just the right thing for many users.