Grid Edit tip

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Now I got a new sig.

ROCKNOID wrote:i thought nym said he's done it without a phasing issue? or maybe the phasing isn't noticed if the samples are filtered different from one another...

he said it wasn't an issue, because he never (or hardly ever) layers the same sample on top of itself.

yeah i don't really see the point in using the same sample overtop itself

if you're looking to add another frequency, i suggest just getting another sample with x frequency in it. like if your kick isn't bassy enough, don't just layer it w/ a filter...drop a really low kick in there. low electronic kicks behind accoustic kicks = music to my ears, i love it.

^^^ wait till you hear the sh!t i carve out with the s2000.

just got my ram today.

still reading the fuking manual.

I like this tip. I've always felt the layer function steals quite a bit of control. Here's another method that can acheive the same effect but give you different options.

You could try layering with pure kits and altered pure kits, because the types of drums in all of these kits will have similar pad assignments. Since 3.0 all of my pure kits have been getting alternate programs set up and saved as well. Once I set up the initial kit, I make a copy that is all extremely low filtered really quickly using (Mode+pad11). I also make a copy that has different lfo tricks for the samples (not as quickly done, but still worthwhile).

Now when you copy the track, you can have another kit, a filtered or lfo'd version of your kit, etc.. playing back simultaneously to hear what the new layers would sound like. You can still go to step or grid edit and edit them seperately to take out or add certian items and things like that. If one kit has some kicks you like and another has snares you like as doubles, make a new kit using the program screen, cursoring all the way to the left and pressing window to get to the "copy pad" screen.

It might sound like a long process, but it is actually fairly quick when you get used to it. You also get control over much more and can actually turn on/off layers, edit pitch/pan/volume and change programs in layer tracks at any point if you want to.

Also, I think using a low filtered copy of a program simultaneously running does sound okay sometimes in moderation. It is just a trial and error thing when layering or beefing up samples in a beat. That's why I like experimenting with whatever kits I want on a copied track weather the kits are totally different samples, just filtered, lfo'd, or whatever.

i must be sleeping on drum filtering, because honestly i never do it at all, i just leave all drum samples unaffected til daw.

to what effect other than as a convenient eq are you using filters/lfos on drums?

ohh...this is more a way to pick and choose which notes sample layering occurs more easily. i thought we were talking about an easy way to stack samples that use different filters...i guess it's both really.

providing you trak each sound out separately Nym, there's no difference between you doing things your way, and others filtering on the mpc. although, you could potentially get a nicer sound, given the quality of the mpc's flters.

Since 2.1 came out I have been using the Lfo's on the filters to change the sound and make samples have more movement.

You can experiment with whatever you want to see just what this can do to a sound. Here are a couple of examples though to get you going.

On drums, put a low pass filter on a kick and set the freq to about 50ish and the resonance to 30 or above. Go to the lfo screen and set freq1 to say 60. Then set the rate to 1.00 to start. Play your kick and change the filters to hear what ways they change the sound. Play around with the freq1 knob to hear more or less of this effect. With the time knob turn it up to hear long sweeping filters or short to hear a wabbly effect.

On other samples, lets say a pad sound that lasts a while put a low filter on it. Set the freq to somewhere below 50 and resonance wherever. You can also put another filter or link and try whatever you like for settings. Then in lfo, set the freq1 and freq2 levels somewhere above 50 and the type to saw down. Set the rate to 2.00 this time and hear the pad have a rhythmic repeat every half bar. If you set it to 4.00 it repeats every bar.

When playing with this, i've also noticed that the rate and delay fields in the lfo screen do not go by ms as I used to think. These are actually quarter notes. (ie: 1.00 is one beat, 2.00 is two beats, .50 is a eighth note, .25 16 note and so on).

Also, having two different filters with different values and levels can produce good effects, since one filter will cut off the other and make the sound of the sample change (fat to thin, mid thin fat, or whatever) through the sample playing.

Try messing with different types of samples, filters, lfo types and settings to get really familiar with it and it could give you a few new ideas about sound manipulation with the mpc.

I made a couple of quick audio examples to better illustrate this. (Sorry if they are sloppy or too loud, I did this on my lunch break just for the sake of example).

Here is a pad synth dry played once through

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43eb632em1 ... EBzwtMYh6I

Here is the same pad synth played once through with these filter/lfo settings:

Filter 1-
Type: Low Pass
Freq: 53
Reso: 70

Filter 2-
Type: Link

Lfo-
Wave: Saw Down
Rate: 02.00
Filter1: 57
Filter2: 59

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43eb632em1 ... EBAOpmHa61



The second example uses an 808 kit playing a 1 kick 1 snare loop, left dry.

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43eb632em1 ... EB38BrOYcJ


Here is the same exact pattern and kit, using these filter/lfo settings:

Kick:
Filter1-
Type: low pass
Freq: 17
Reso: 42

Lfo-
Wave: Triangle
Rate: 00.50
Filter1: 67

Snare:
Filter1-
Type: low pass2
Freq: 63
Reso: 56

Filter2-
Type: Link

Lfo-
Wave: Triangle
Rate: 01.00
Filter1: 72
Filter2: 62

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43eb632em1 ... EB2rCiUnEy

That's a great tip Nym.

My workaround for the lack of simut. has been just been using 2 midi outs into a midi timepiece and using Kontakt as an mpc sampler bypass. I got the latency down to like 2 milliseconds and really suggest trying this for anyone who bounces back and fourh in order to mangle thier samples.

Yo bigman,
Great use of the new OS. Doubling the program, changing the filters on mode pad 11, then copying the track to a new program is a dope idea.
Haven't had a chance to listen to your LFO examples, but thanks for taking the time to put them up.
Later
Jay