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By The Machinist Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:29 pm
It depends on what you're hooking it up to, but usually you'll either be going through a Dj Mixer (with pre) or RIAA phono gain stage (standalone RIAA preamp, capable stereo, MPC4000 phono preamp, etc) of some kind -- and from there into your mixer, sampler, audio interface or such. I have 3 decks, hooked to various stuff, so like said, it depends.

It also depends on the turntable, some are crazy and have pres built in, and some even use USB, now. I don't really mess with either of these though -- 1200s for me -- so I can't help there.
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By jonathan morris Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:56 pm
turntable > mixer (dj) > multi channel mixer ( for more eq control) > mpc

By Alphawolf Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:29 pm
turntable--> mpc 4000... OR... turntable ---> dj mixer as preamp--> multitrack mixer

By MusicHustle Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:22 am
I got a numark portable, it has an rca output, and a builtin preamp so i just conect it directly to my mpc.
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By KkonEl Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:46 pm
MusicHustle wrote:I got a numark portable, it has an rca output, and a builtin preamp so i just conect it directly to my mpc.


If you run that through that way, you;ll find that a phono outlet doesn't transfer high end sounds that well-it's too thin even with a preamp.
You have to apply the preamp BEFORE it gets tho the MPC and AFTER it leaves the turntable.
For example, my setup is like this, from left to right:
MPC 1ooo---DJ mixer---turntable
I did it your way out of necessity, but when you do it the way I described, you can not only hear the difference, but you can FEEL it, which is more important.
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By Fung45 Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:04 pm
Huh?^
I think he's talking about some newer turntables do the phono conversion internally (i.e. Numark TTX has a line out as well as a phono out).
Going from a turntable line out which has already done the phono conversion, into a dj mixer or reciever's phono input would mean you are doing it twice, and that's probably not the best idea.
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By Is this thing on? Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:41 pm
I try to cut-out any circuitry that will 'colour' the sound before it gets recorded. You shouldn't be doing any EQing as you record, as there's no need to. And pre-amps ( on the whole ) are only there to get the signal to a power amp without deteriorating, not really needed if you just want to record a sound.
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By The Machinist Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:26 pm
Is this thing on? wrote:I try to cut-out any circuitry that will 'colour' the sound before it gets recorded.


...but all circuits and thus all units, color the sound, to a degree, for better or worse. Especially if we're talking conversion (ad/da or vice versa). A good amp will color much less than a good compressor, as an example. But, I agree, less is better. Often you can't really skip the amp though, unless the signal is already at optimal level, which usual turntable outs aren't.

And pre-amps ( on the whole ) are only there to get the signal to a power amp without deteriorating, not really needed if you just want to record a sound.


Honestly, there's some truth in this, but not as clear as maybe it should be. Pre-amps are actually definitely needed for recording, in most cases, or you wouldn't have a usable level to record. Not only that, but they're often needed when matching gain stages, and/or matching line or mic levels for optimal s/n ratios. Power amps don't really have much to do with it, in most cases. Imagine trying to send unbalanced rca signals from a turntable without phono preperation or a condenser mic without 48V into a -10 or +4 system, stripped with no amp (Opamps. Preamps, or any kind of amp). You'll end up with something just above (or level with) the noise floor, that cannot be brought to a clean ratio, at all.....and when dealing with phono amps, you'd probably be lucky to get even that. You will not get optimal gain (headroom and nice s/n ratios), instead you'll get a low signal (if even audible enough).....with a cloud of induced noise. God forbid one tries to normalize such a signal. :?

And shielded rca connectors won't combat such noise, induced by low levels (and thus poor s/n), especially since the shielding does not stop inducted noise due to them being inheritage unbalanced -- and even if they were balanced and using the finest cable in the world, that still wouldn't stop op-mechanical-noise in your track caused by poor recording levels.