question about slicing samples

Costley wrote:if this is how it works, im sellin this thing..

i noticed when i chopped my samples and laid em out on the pads, they sounded **** than the original sample...Are you guys telling me that this is how it works?..i wouldnt have even got this fukin thing if i new i would do this...i listen to the original, then compare it to my slices, and i get so dissapointed...If i save my sample as mono with another program first will that keep some of the quality? That really really sucks..



I have bitced this also... i have tried to get around it but i cant seem to - is this the same with other mpc's???

I've never noticed this problem of loss of sound quality. Anyway, here's what I know.

If you use slice to chop the samples, then yes, it will make the samples mono after slicing. You can (in 2.1 and the various 3.0 betas) view either the left or the right channel to do your slicing.

If you use edit->extract to get a hit out of a sample, then it remains in stereo.

If you want just the right channel, or just the left, then sample the source material in mono, which is straightforward to set up in Record mode. Or use the OS 3 beta, which has a stereo->mono conversion which allows you to do that.

When you use slice mode, and then convert to program, you have a decay (or is it release? can't quite remember) option. On my machine that defaults to 10. Set this to zero if you want to get just the slice. The larger that parameter, the more of a 'tail' it adds to each slice that comes from the beginning of the next slice, IIRC. If you want nice clean chops, then set it to zero.

I've no complaints about the 1K's chopping performance, and I've not experienced any sound degradation while chopping. Maybe I've been lucky with my source material, or maybe it's the way I use it.

no i promise, when you use sice to chop up a sample into however many parts.... the sound degrades considerably - to the point where i would think to myself i would have to re chop the sample elsewhere and replace the chops in my mpc....which is a mission!!

Costley wrote:no i promise, when you use sice to chop up a sample into however many parts.... the sound degrades considerably - to the point where i would think to myself i would have to re chop the sample elsewhere and replace the chops in my mpc....which is a mission!!

that is awfully strange. i have chopped a ton of loops with no problem.

Costley wrote:no i promise, when you use sice to chop up a sample into however many parts.... the sound degrades considerably - to the point where i would think to myself i would have to re chop the sample elsewhere and replace the chops in my mpc....which is a mission!!

In what way does it degrade? Can you describe it?

Do you get the same degradation if you're chopping a mono sample as you do with a stereo sample?

Just looking for some clues as to what your problem might be ...

The perceived loudness will be lower - it sounds sonicaly poor - Its like the same kind of effect you would get when you mixdown digitaly in cubase or logic or somthing - it never sounds like it does when you are playing a song live in the sequencer to when its converted to wav -

Its like that but far more severe..

ive never notice that either, i hope that gets fix on the next os update, i aint tryn no bootleg beta on my mpc

Yoooooooo this ent no beta version im talking about 2.1 !!!!!

i know you aint talkin about no beta version, im sayin i hope it gets fix on the next update

do you get the same problem bro? its not just my machine is it..

Costley wrote:The perceived loudness will be lower - it sounds sonicaly poor - Its like the same kind of effect you would get when you mixdown digitaly in cubase or logic or somthing - it never sounds like it does when you are playing a song live in the sequencer to when its converted to wav -

Its like that but far more severe..

YES YES..this is EXACTLY whats happening to me..Its like listenin to an AM station as compared to a FM station ,,serious...Also, the volume does get much more quiet,,,.Once you play the chops, as compared to the original, the difference is huge,,,The original sounds so much crisper,,,,


BTW,,i think that screen where you guys talk about "viewing" the left or right,,i think on that scren you choose what side of the stereo will be used for the chops..

Maybe the other people who dont notice it are using studio monitors, or other speakers and dont notice the change?...i do my production on headphones


Man, im really hoping it either has something to do with how im saving my samples before i bring them in, or i got something set wrong, being that im new on the unit

I think I know what you guys are talking about. There is no loss in quality when slicing. But when you go from the trim mode to program mode, there is a difference in volume. The dynamics are not changed at all, it's just louder in trim mode. If your samples are too quiet you need to record them at a higher level.

TFUNK...i can tell the differenece between loss of volume and loss of stereo..the slices dont sound as good regardless of the volume...

I tried doing it the "pad" at a time method, and they stayed stereo..THOSE EXTRA STEPS SUCK HUGE...WTF

ahh... well I never sample in stereo so I've never had that problem.

Sampling in mono, imo, is much better to capture an exact sound. And it also makes it much easier to fit it into a mix. If you are using multiple samples and loops off of records, keeping them mono and panning them as you like will keep your mix a lot cleaner.

tfunk...i definatly can see where sampling mono would be helpful,,,,,but alotta times (especialy classical and such), there are instruments and things to one side or the other that forcein mono on cuts out,,:( imma try bringing my samples in mono to begin with and see if it gets any better....