If the OS development is slow... make it Open Source!

Lumpy wrote: it would allow any manufacturer to use their software for competing products and some of that code is probably still being used in other products like the 2500. Especially their sequencer whose feel others have tried, unsucessfully, to recreate many times over.

What a load of UTTER balls.
Have you READ the terms of the GNU public license?
Do you have ANY clue of WTF you're talking about?
No, you haven't.

The benefit it would give them is that,
rather than the MPC4000 being widely-regarded as a bug-ridden white elephant,
it could become Kick ASS!
And I know whose as I'd kick. Yes, yours, lumpy! Your lumpy ass!

feline1 wrote:

Lumpy wrote: it would allow any manufacturer to use their software for competing products and some of that code is probably still being used in other products like the 2500. Especially their sequencer whose feel others have tried, unsucessfully, to recreate many times over.

What a load of UTTER balls.
Have you READ the terms of the GNU public license?
Do you have ANY clue of WTF you're talking about?
No, you haven't.

The benefit it would give them is that,
rather than the MPC4000 being widely-regarded as a bug-ridden white elephant,
it could become Kick ASS!
And I know whose as I'd kick. Yes, yours, lumpy! Your lumpy ass!

I'm sorry the truth hurts you so badly but resorting to threats because you don't like what I have to say? That's just stupid.

Good luck with your OS

I am so excited with the possibilities. I am looking for an MPC 4000 on eBay as I type this. How soon do you guys think we can get the first Beta OS? By Christmas??

jahrome wrote:I wish you luck developing your Open Sourced OS and will revist this thread in 3 years

bloody hell that went fast.

I agree totally. Besides, if the user base is 3000, it would become 60,000 before you know it.

What happens when you like some hardware-software? You talk about it all the time. That is the best publicity.

Imagine that:

"Akai has started an Open Source Project for the MPC4000 OS!" That would be on all the major music magazines and the Linux news all over the world. Eyes instantly to Akai.

And when you use the MPC4000, you would love the interfase and usability of it, because it would be a LOT better. You would brag about it everywhere, even your grandma would know!... That means smart moves.

What ever Akai has acomplished in the software area, could be done, if interested, by any other company with enough resources.

My thought is, this could empower Akai a lot.

So, for now, I am focused on the proposal. Please, join the website: http://www.woralelandia.com/openmpc/

feline1 wrote:

Lumpy wrote: it would allow any manufacturer to use their software for competing products and some of that code is probably still being used in other products like the 2500. Especially their sequencer whose feel others have tried, unsucessfully, to recreate many times over.

What a load of UTTER balls.
Have you READ the terms of the GNU public license?
Do you have ANY clue of WTF you're talking about?
No, you haven't.

First, nobody talked about the GPL. But yes, you are right when saying the GPL does not allow commercial use of the licensed software or 1:1 copied parts of it. BUT, as the code is Open Source nevertheless, it allows anyone, including market competitors, to read it and use the ideas included. And that I think is what Lumpy said. And that is exactly the reason why most manufacturers do not give out the sources of their OSs, no matter under which license.

Yeah,
and conversely,
there are other companies which exist solely to make a profit out
of pursueing litigation on intellectual property infringement.

Which view Akai will take, I do not know.
The thing to do is to approach them and find out.

feline1 wrote:Which view Akai will take, I do not know.
The thing to do is to approach them and find out.

Absolutely co-sign.

Btw, is that you in your avatar?

OK guys I'm going away for a while, don't kill each other while I'm gone, haha.

Jahrome, did they throw you out of the MPC2000 forum already?

-illiac

Candy man..candy man..candyman.....

illiac wrote:
OK guys I'm going away for a while, don't kill each other while I'm gone, haha.

Jahrome, did they throw you out of the MPC2000 forum already?

-illiac

Are you finished crying about your MPC that actually works fine? Or are you finished talking a bunch of BS about an open sourced OS that none of you will be able to do anything with?

To answer your question directly..I don't know. Let me go post some info and see if they kick me out:
http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=497283#497283

Its a real shame that moderators lets troll's destroy the 4000 forum.

I was browsing www.akaipro.jp looking at the mpc2500 (official!) and for fun I checked the 4000 page too. I looked at the large jpg thats on there and saw that the mpc that they had taken pictures of runs OS 1.71c. I thought the latest one out was 1.71? So the blue ones ship with 1.71c and the latest to download is 1.71? Weird... Unless 1.71c is an internal beta? Anyone in the loop on this?

get rid of 1.71
i have nothing good to say about that os. I would be ashamed if I were akai by releasing this piece of junky os
akai is the most unprofessional company i know of. its really sad! they leave us in the cold and build a complete new mpc with all the features we were asking for for several years!

anyway,... install 1.70 and start make some tunes

Big Billy Goat Gruff

OK, I'll just ignore all the bullshit going on here, cause it doesn't help anybody.


I personally do not know which bugs the 4000's OS still has or which features it has, or should have - I don't even own one. Still I'm excited about the thought of having the possibility to program a piece of hardware like the MPCs or other Akai samplers after one's own ideas to get something new out of it. That has nothing to do with "crying" about that my MPC doesn't work fine.

It should be interesting to see what the Open Source Community can do for the MPC Family. I'm sure that one could help the OS be superior.

I have been studying some programming languages. Ada and C. I am determined to start this project. I hope I can help on the development, even if it is with small simple things.

By the way, I have added a task list on the site, at the project section. Feel free to post bugs or anything. It is a well tested bug control system. I am sure that this will proof useful for Akai, if they decide to support us.

http://www.woralelandia.com/openmpc/

Are you finished crying about your MPC that actually works fine? Or are you finished talking a bunch of BS about an open sourced OS that none of you will be able to do anything with?

I'm not crying about anything, I can't understand where you got this idea. I've been hanging out here, learning valuable tips from the many serious members of this forum, and sharing some stuff where I can.

Years ago I worked on a software development project that used gcc -- an open-sourced compiler. We depended on it heavily to generate code for lots of different platforms. One day we came across a nasty bug in it. We were faced with a choice -- work around the bug (proved to be difficult), abandon gcc in favor of something else (there was no good replacement), or fix the bug. We got the sources and fixed the bug in a few hours, and submitted the fix to the gcc maintainers who folded it into the main line. That story gets played out over and over again with all kinds of open-sourced software.

I feel in a similar situation around the MPC4000. I like it and depend on it a lot. It's the center of my MIDI production environment. There's no obvious replacement for it, for my particular purposes. And yet it has a bug or two that are problems for me. So if I could get my hands on the sources I would try to fix them. If I can't, then I will work around the problems, that's all.

My purpose here is simple: to learn and to give back just a little if I can. What's your purpose?

-illiac