Tempo Troubles

I feel the biggest thing setting me back from sampling is finding the right tempo. Ive tried using the metronome and just changing the tempo while listening to the sample and ive tried using tap tempo and i rally just cant get it exact (or even near exact) ive also used the find tempo option on the timestratch and it is WAYYYYY out, it says 140 when the sample is about 60. I really dont want to use the computer (thats y i have the MPC) Its the MPC 1000 if that helps. I eould really appreciate some insight into how u guys sample r just any ideas u guys have cus im really stuck.
Kind Regards, ema

you my friend, have no rhythm

your DNA sucks, basically

Thanx for that helpful, helpful comment , Ive been sampling 4 less than a week give me fkn break

Clearly i want the exact BPM not the BPM give of take 2 or 3, i want to be able to use note repeat for certain things, I am really just interested in what other peoples methods are. Any other help would be really appreciated

Look, Salty.

its a game of trial and error.

you gotta be able to find the right start and end points for a loop first of all. Second, you have to have good ears. There is no "method", you just do what works.

try chopping stuff up really small and making your own melody out of the smaller samples. One shots are almost impossible to get offbeat if you have any rhythm.

I completly understand the prospects of sampling but i dont understand how u can find a tempo when using a sample that is half a bar long. I have no problem with trial and error i just want my drums to sit tight over the sample. Ive heard people saying that they find the tempo using computer programs and other rmeans, im just curious into other peoples techniques so i can try myself. Im not specifically asking u but the forum so if this is proving to b stressful to u dont post.

i dunno if the 1k has this but on the 2000xl in trim mode there is a way to find the bpm of your sample based on the number of beats..dont really feel like explainin it if u dont have that option soo can someone confirm this?....also if u chop your shit up the exact tempo doesnt really matter anymore

Set the start and end points of your sample in Trim mode so that it loops perfectly.

Trigger it at the beginning of a sequence. If the sample is only half a bar, trigger it twice.

Adjust the sequences tempo until it loops perfectly on it's own. Done.

Note that you can increment the BPM in 0.1 steps as well.

I appreciate that guys, im gona look into both of those. Thnx

_Stilo_ wrote:Trigger it at the beginning of a sequence. If the sample is only half a bar, trigger it twice. Adjust the sequences tempo until it loops perfectly on it's own. Done.

I was JUST about to say that. lol.

Lampdog wrote:

_Stilo_ wrote:Trigger it at the beginning of a sequence. If the sample is only half a bar, trigger it twice. Adjust the sequences tempo until it loops perfectly on it's own. Done.

I was JUST about to say that. lol.

My standard advice for these questions

what about playing with the tune of the sample a tad bit also, but that affects the original tune and people may not want that to happen.

Lampdog wrote:

_Stilo_ wrote:Trigger it at the beginning of a sequence. If the sample is only half a bar, trigger it twice. Adjust the sequences tempo until it loops perfectly on it's own. Done.

I was JUST about to say that. lol.

Ive been producin for a long time but im new on the mpc...I can not believe I havent thought of this on my own yet....this should be extreamly helpful, but i assume this requieres the sample to be trimmed properly to begin with.

Ema wrote:I feel the biggest thing setting me back from sampling is finding the right tempo. Ive tried using the metronome and just changing the tempo while listening to the sample and ive tried using tap tempo and i rally just cant get it exact (or even near exact) ive also used the find tempo option on the timestratch and it is WAYYYYY out, it says 140 when the sample is about 60. I really dont want to use the computer (thats y i have the MPC) Its the MPC 1000 if that helps. I eould really appreciate some insight into how u guys sample r just any ideas u guys have cus im really stuck.
Kind Regards, ema

when your geting your original sample from its source, it always helps to get the "beats" counted out, and i always keep them to be like 8, or 16, whatever long as its even...This way, if you want to cut another peice later, you can match it up with your previous using the "beats"...,You should always have the finished product mapped out in ya head before you start, cause you can really save yourself time in the long run...


Also, its alot easier to find your tempo using a longer slice of your sample. Play it out in trim mode usin pad 13 while tappin the tempo button, then once you find it, then chopp it up.

spaceaged wrote:Ive been producin for a long time but im new on the mpc...I can not believe I havent thought of this on my own yet....this should be extreamly helpful, but i assume this requieres the sample to be trimmed properly to begin with.

Yes, of course.

And while we're at it: The resulting tempo is only a mean value of the whole sample of course. So it can happen that when you layer a long drum loop with another long percussion loop for example, it seems to match perfectly in the beginning, and seems a little off later on if the drummer or percussionist didn't exactly keep the tempo...which only very few do.

Cap_Ill wrote:you my friend, have no rhythm

Can't teach timing, atleast not that I know of. You usually have to have it naturally, and just be shaped (drumming lessons for example). But, if you can't do it with your ears, or mechanical means (tap tempo)....then Cap_Ill is probably right. You probably have all the same tools as we do.