stereo chopping

no problemo bro

Upright wrote:

Kailid wrote:

Upright wrote: The only way I see possible to do this is to chop a sample and layer the left and right chops together on one pad.

Are you kidding??? Thats not stereo dude. Educate yourself. Thats a layered mono file.

Your post were just a waste of space and didn't educate me by any means

Sorry 'bout that. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I see someone else already explained to you the difference between stereo and mono. As for your comment: Some people would find your entire thread as nothing more than a "waste of space".

Kailid wrote:

Sorry 'bout that. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I see someone else already explained to you the difference between stereo and mono. As for your comment: Some people would find your entire thread as nothing more than a "waste of space".[/quote]

No problem ............you didn't hurt my feelings, but I would think that those who found this thread to be a waste of space would not even bother to waste thier time or energy by posting. Not trying to argue with you dude....I guess I was taught to have more respect for people than yourself.

Why does everyone feel the need to preserve the sample in stereo? whats wrong with mono chops?

sample both sides of the stereo field

jesus, find a workaround

nc-17 wrote:Why does everyone feel the need to preserve the sample in stereo? whats wrong with mono chops?

One of the more obvious reasons is that mono doesn't sound as good as stereo. It doesn't really bother me though.

that is no reason or explanation for that reason,,,,,but my reason for sampling stereo...is to preserve the width of both the left and right in say some oldschool track that has an organ on the left and a guitar on the right......... I could sample them both but hey sometimes I like to just get the stereo chop from and leave it how it sounds...nice and wide ~

savilion wrote:that is no reason or explanation for that reason,,,,,but my reason for sampling stereo...is to preserve the width of both the left and right in say some oldschool track that has an organ on the left and a guitar on the right......... I could sample them both but hey sometimes I like to just get the stereo chop from and leave it how it sounds...nice and wide ~

Thats what I'm sayin'!!1

can't you select which side to chop with the view command?
By selecting Left or Right doesn't that select the side you are chopping?
If so, then just chop the left, then go and chop the right.
Triggering them may not be phase aligned though.

I can see how chopping a stereo sound can lead to problems, that's why REcycle didn't do stereo for so long and they were the first to do it.

If you have a panning sound the chops for each side will not line up right. I think that's why they only do mono.

it doesn't bother me much, I don't really use it a lot.

Lumpy wrote:can't you select which side to chop with the view command?
By selecting Left or Right doesn't that select the side you are chopping?

No it doesn't. It does only output the left channel, regardless of what you select.

Lumpy wrote:If you have a panning sound the chops for each side will not line up right. I think that's why they only do mono.

Why wouldn't they? It's no problem to keep left and right channel together - actually the Extract function does exactly that, as mentioned several times before. It's just not understandable why they didn't put it in the Chop function as well.

Lumpy wrote:If you have a panning sound the chops for each side will not line up right. I think that's why they only do mono.

Why wouldn't they? It's no problem to keep left and right channel together - actually the Extract function does exactly that, as mentioned several times before. It's just not understandable why they didn't put it in the Chop function as well.[/quote]

I mean the chop points. If you have a hard panned hihat on the left and a ride cymbal or something else on the right. You would want to have different chop points for each side of the stereo file other wise your hihat start chop might cut in the middle of a cymbal crash and make it sound like crap when you slowed the loop down.
I seriously doubt they just didn't think to do stereo chopshop and it had to do with a technical reason why they couldn't do it.
Like I said before Recycle didn't do stereo for a long time, probably because it is hard to do and they needed some real cpu power to figure it out.

Lumpy wrote:I mean the chop points. If you have a hard panned hihat on the left and a ride cymbal or something else on the right. You would want to have different chop points for each side of the stereo file other wise your hihat start chop might cut in the middle of a cymbal crash and make it sound like **** when you slowed the loop down.

I see...you're talking about detecting the hits automatically while chopping? Yes, that could be a problem if left and right channel are extremely different. Didn't think of it this way, I usually chop equal and adjust the points manually.

_Stilo_ wrote:

Lumpy wrote:I mean the chop points. If you have a hard panned hihat on the left and a ride cymbal or something else on the right. You would want to have different chop points for each side of the stereo file other wise your hihat start chop might cut in the middle of a cymbal crash and make it sound like **** when you slowed the loop down.

I see...you're talking about detecting the hits automatically while chopping? Yes, that could be a problem if left and right channel are extremely different. Didn't think of it this way, I usually chop equal and adjust the points manually.

I use the same method stilo. To be quite honest I haven't really seen a use for the auto detect.

Upright wrote:

_Stilo_ wrote:

Lumpy wrote:I mean the chop points. If you have a hard panned hihat on the left and a ride cymbal or something else on the right. You would want to have different chop points for each side of the stereo file other wise your hihat start chop might cut in the middle of a cymbal crash and make it sound like **** when you slowed the loop down.

I see...you're talking about detecting the hits automatically while chopping? Yes, that could be a problem if left and right channel are extremely different. Didn't think of it this way, I usually chop equal and adjust the points manually.

I use the same method stilo. To be quite honest I haven't really seen a use for the auto detect.

It doesn't have to do with auto detect. It has to do with how the segements are played and how sync is maintained between the sides.
If the cut points are different and there is no way to maintain a sample for sample sync, which would happen if your left and right chops are different lengths, you would get phase problems just like if you cut a separate left and right file and assign them to two different pads.
the sequencer would need to be modified to handle not only the start time of triggering but be able to maintain a sample accurate phase between multiple clips, which is what you would get if you had different length chops.
We deal with this in video all the time between multiple tracks in Protools and the Fairlight.
It seems simple, just make it stereo, but it's probably pretty hard to do from a hardware and software aspect.

Lumpy wrote:It doesn't have to do with auto detect. It has to do with how the segements are played and how sync is maintained between the sides.

Just when I thought I understood him..

I don't get your point. I can't see what's the problem to cut and play back the left and right channel at exactly the same sample, in case you chop equal. And there is no reason why the left and right chops would not have the same length in that case.

When you Extract parts from a stereo sample to a new sample, it ain't a problem either after all.

Do I miss something here?